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Cab_Savvy

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:14 am
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I started out like most 'old school' photographers in a B&W darkroom.
Developer and Fixer chemical smells filling the tiny red lit
environment that felt normal until you walked outside into the real
world. The fumes went away but so too did the beauty of the image you
had spent hours producing.

Then came Cibachrome. By this stage I was shooting with a Minolta 645
using Fuji 100asa E6. There was no way I was going back into a darkroom
while there were people charging a tiny fee to do the work for me, and
being E6 how could they go wrong? They never did until Fuji took the
process over, calling it something like R3 and the whole process took
on the same problem of 'interpretation' that made taking the shot less
important as making the photo. The main problem was the makers were not
the takers. The entire intention of the image was lost.

Have I said enough? Are you still not convinced that Digital
photography coupled with a general understanding of Photoshop is the
ultimate liberation to guaranteeing the outcome bearing any similarity
to the actual shoot?

If not, then I have obviously missed something.

Please visit http://www.scenesavers.com.au

Jeff

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Don Stauffer

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:38 am
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Wow- I think this is the first of this type of message in a month or
more. Several years ago this group saw several new threads of this sort
every day!


Cab_Savvy wrote:
> I started out like most 'old school' photographers in a B&W darkroom.
> Developer and Fixer chemical smells filling the tiny red lit
> environment that felt normal until you walked outside into the real
> world. The fumes went away but so too did the beauty of the image you
> had spent hours producing.
>
> Then came Cibachrome. By this stage I was shooting with a Minolta 645
> using Fuji 100asa E6. There was no way I was going back into a darkroom
> while there were people charging a tiny fee to do the work for me, and
> being E6 how could they go wrong? They never did until Fuji took the
> process over, calling it something like R3 and the whole process took
> on the same problem of 'interpretation' that made taking the shot less
> important as making the photo. The main problem was the makers were not
> the takers. The entire intention of the image was lost.
>
> Have I said enough? Are you still not convinced that Digital
> photography coupled with a general understanding of Photoshop is the
> ultimate liberation to guaranteeing the outcome bearing any similarity
> to the actual shoot?
>
> If not, then I have obviously missed something.
>
> Please visit http://www.scenesavers.com.au
>
> Jeff
>

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Jim Townsend

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:36 am
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Marvin

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:37 am
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Cab_Savvy wrote:
> I started out like most 'old school' photographers in a B&W darkroom.
> Developer and Fixer chemical smells filling the tiny red lit
> environment that felt normal until you walked outside into the real
> world. The fumes went away but so too did the beauty of the image you
> had spent hours producing.
>
> Then came Cibachrome. By this stage I was shooting with a Minolta 645
> using Fuji 100asa E6. There was no way I was going back into a darkroom
> while there were people charging a tiny fee to do the work for me, and
> being E6 how could they go wrong? They never did until Fuji took the
> process over, calling it something like R3 and the whole process took
> on the same problem of 'interpretation' that made taking the shot less
> important as making the photo. The main problem was the makers were not
> the takers. The entire intention of the image was lost.
>
> Have I said enough? Are you still not convinced that Digital
> photography coupled with a general understanding of Photoshop is the
> ultimate liberation to guaranteeing the outcome bearing any similarity
> to the actual shoot?
>
> If not, then I have obviously missed something.
>
> Please visit http://www.scenesavers.com.au
>
> Jeff
>

One of the things that attracted me to digital photography
was the ability to work with my images on my computer. It
is, in many ways, an equivalent of a darkroom. I use Paint
Shop Pro, not Photoshop.

Digital photography will never be exactly like film
photography, any more than film photography will be exactly
like a dageurotype (sp?) They are different media, each
with its own characteristics. You can be creative with
digital photography, and museums are increasingly accepting
digital prints. I saw some last Sunday at the Guggenheim
Museum in New York. I only knew they were digital because
they were labelled as digital. They were in a part of the
David Smith show. Smith started doing sculptures in steel
when that was not an accepted medium. He worked as a welder
before he went to art school. Many others have followed his
lead.
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ASAAR

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:51 pm
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:37:21 -0400, Marvin wrote:

> Smith started doing sculptures in steel when that was not an accepted
> medium. He worked as a welder before he went to art school. Many
> others have followed his lead.

Steel has the strength needed to produce very large structures.
If Smith switched his medium to lead it might have been because it's
more malleable and easily worked. But I say he'd be plumb crazy to
do so.









(<g>)
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Joan

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:36 pm
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Photos don't need Macromedia Flash.

--
Joan
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly

"Cab_Savvy" wrote in message

:I started out like most 'old school' photographers in a B&W darkroom.
: Developer and Fixer chemical smells filling the tiny red lit
: environment that felt normal until you walked outside into the real
: world. The fumes went away but so too did the beauty of the image
you
: had spent hours producing.
:
: Then came Cibachrome. By this stage I was shooting with a Minolta
645
: using Fuji 100asa E6. There was no way I was going back into a
darkroom
: while there were people charging a tiny fee to do the work for me,
and
: being E6 how could they go wrong? They never did until Fuji took the
: process over, calling it something like R3 and the whole process
took
: on the same problem of 'interpretation' that made taking the shot
less
: important as making the photo. The main problem was the makers were
not
: the takers. The entire intention of the image was lost.
:
: Have I said enough? Are you still not convinced that Digital
: photography coupled with a general understanding of Photoshop is the
: ultimate liberation to guaranteeing the outcome bearing any
similarity
: to the actual shoot?
:
: If not, then I have obviously missed something.
:
: Please visit http://www.scenesavers.com.au
:
: Jeff
:
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Justus Lipsius

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:50 pm
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Cab_Savvy bedacht in
@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:

> http://www.scenesavers.com.au

The digital darkroom is where pictures are made nowadays. Especially with
RAW files. And much more so than in the old days, when you could ruin a
good photograph in the dark room, but couldn't produce a good picture from
a bad negative.

JL
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Jem Raid

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:49 pm
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"Cab_Savvy" wrote in message

>I started out like most 'old school' photographers in a B&W darkroom.
> Developer and Fixer chemical smells filling the tiny red lit
> environment that felt normal until you walked outside into the real
> world. The fumes went away but so too did the beauty of the image you
> had spent hours producing.
>
> Then came Cibachrome. By this stage I was shooting with a Minolta 645
> using Fuji 100asa E6. There was no way I was going back into a darkroom
> while there were people charging a tiny fee to do the work for me, and
> being E6 how could they go wrong? They never did until Fuji took the
> process over, calling it something like R3 and the whole process took
> on the same problem of 'interpretation' that made taking the shot less
> important as making the photo. The main problem was the makers were not
> the takers. The entire intention of the image was lost.
>
> Have I said enough? Are you still not convinced that Digital
> photography coupled with a general understanding of Photoshop is the
> ultimate liberation to guaranteeing the outcome bearing any similarity
> to the actual shoot?
>
> If not, then I have obviously missed something.
>
> Please visit http://www.scenesavers.com.au
>
> Jeff
>

I used to love gritty films like TriX and Kodak3200
I found that I can get even more grit in software and produce dense B&W
prints
http://jemraid.wikispaces.com/

Jem


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Birmingham Independent Photographers
http://bip.wikispaces.com/
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Ron Hunter

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:55 am
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ASAAR wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:37:21 -0400, Marvin wrote:
>
>> Smith started doing sculptures in steel when that was not an accepted
>> medium. He worked as a welder before he went to art school. Many
>> others have followed his lead.
>
> Steel has the strength needed to produce very large structures.
> If Smith switched his medium to lead it might have been because it's
> more malleable and easily worked. But I say he'd be plumb crazy to
> do so.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> (<g>)
>
Grin. Not to mention getting in trouble with the EPA....
Isn't English wonderful?
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ASAAR

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:09 pm
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:55:27 -0500, Ron Hunter wrote:

> ASAAR wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:37:21 -0400, Marvin wrote:
>>
>>> Smith started doing sculptures in steel when that was not an accepted
>>> medium. He worked as a welder before he went to art school. Many
>>> others have followed his lead.
>>
>> Steel has the strength needed to produce very large structures.
>> If Smith switched his medium to lead it might have been because it's
>> more malleable and easily worked. But I say he'd be plumb crazy to
>> do so.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> (<g>)
>>
> Grin. Not to mention getting in trouble with the EPA....
> Isn't English wonderful?

Si. My most fervent wish is that the pun (what else?) didn't go
over like a lead balloon.
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Cab_Savvy

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:13 am
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Justus Lipsius wrote:
> Cab_Savvy bedacht in
> @v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
>
> > http://www.scenesavers.com.au
>
> The digital darkroom is where pictures are made nowadays. Especially with
> RAW files. And much more so than in the old days, when you could ruin a
> good photograph in the dark room, but couldn't produce a good picture from
> a bad negative.
>
> JL
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Cab_Savvy

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:56 am
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I am interested to know what type of digital camera you guys (and gals)
like to use. Perhaps we could discuss the pros and cons. I am also keen
for any comments on a website I am building for fun for myself. There
is an email link on the page. Please visit
http://www.scenesavers.com.au
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