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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:49 pm
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On 2005/11/22 4:49 PM, "Jim" <j.n DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
> the current debate is about malware on their audio disks.
No. That is the current instance. The debate is about what the media
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:50 pm
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"Stephen Poley" <sbpoleySpicedHamTrap DeleteThis @xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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> On 22 Nov 2005 10:41:25 -0800, NOTvalid DeleteThis @Queensbridge.us wrote:
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>>I bought a Sony Digital camera.
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>>Any possibility that Sony loaded malichious sofware on my computer?
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>>Altho I don't now use their software, it is on my computer.
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>>I use a flash memory reader/writer as I have also Olympus
>>and Fuji
>>cameras, and I can more easly us the readers.
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>>Should Sony s/w be removed?
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> I haven't yet heard of any problems with malicious Sony software for
> cameras, but just at the moment I wouldn't put anything past Sony. But
> if they did do anything underhand, you wouldn't be able to remove it
> with standard software deinstallation. So for the moment you might as
> well leave it there IMHO.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:58 pm
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Bert Hyman <bert.RemoveThis@iphouse.com> writes:
> Maybe. I think the OP's hidden question was whether he can trust
> anything from Sony enough to install it on his PC.
The simple solution is not to install any Sony software. The cameras
work perfectly fine without it. The really paranoid can use a card
reader to transfer pictures.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:06 am
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:21:39 -0800, Bob Williams
<mytbob RemoveThis @cox.nospam.net> wrote:
>This is matter of Corporate Culture mindset.
>I'm sure that a lot of high level people had to sign off on Sony's
>decision to plant Trojans on their CDs. The fact that they all agreed to
>do so indicates something about the ethics of the top management.
>I don't think this action by Sony will soon go away. IMHO, they will
>definitely be hurt bigtime by this unethical behavior..
>I don't want to sound moralistic or pessimistic about this BUT who can
>you trust anymore? The problem is endemic in the business community.
>Think Enron, Arthur Anderson, Tyco, Adelphia, WorldCom, all big
>players.....and the list goes on... and on.... and on...
>Even the top levels of the US Government are now taking mandatory
>courses in Ethics.
>Bob Williams
I agree with your comments 100% Bob! This is exactly how I view the
Sony/BMG music CD incident as well. I do not feel that Sony's actions
could be an isolated mistake. I believe that such a thing could only
happen in a corporate culture where these kinds of decision are
tolerated or even encouraged. I own many Sony products including an
HDTV and was considering buying a new HDV camcorder from Sony. I will
not be doing that now. Any company that would install a rootkit on a
customer's PC without that customer's knowledge or consent is not the
kind of company with which I want to do business. As far as I'm
concerned, Sony can no longer be trusted and their ethics are suspect.
Incidentally, I emailed them to express these views but never received
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:31 am
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Dave Martindale wrote:
> Bert Hyman <bert.TakeThisOut@iphouse.com> writes:
>> enmicabesa.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com () wrote in
>> news:1132687620.895591.15420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
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>>> Do a little googling, its a net scam
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>> Net scam? You think that Sony didn't plant trojan horse software on
>> PCs via their music CDs?
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> Yes, but there's no suggestion (other than a spoof) that their cameras
> or camera software will do this. Just don't buy Sony Music CDs.
>
> Dave
The debacle regarding the music CD thing would probably be enough to
make me keep ANY Sony software well away from my computer!
Fool me once, shame on you.....
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:33 am
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Bob Williams wrote:
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> Cuz wrote:
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>> Dave Martindale <davem RemoveThis @cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
>> || Bert Hyman <bert RemoveThis @iphouse.com> writes:
>> ||| enmicabesa RemoveThis @hotmail.com () wrote in
>> ||| news:1132687620.895591.15420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
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>> |||| Do a little googling, its a net scam
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>> ||| Net scam? You think that Sony didn't plant trojan horse
>> ||| software on PCs via their music CDs?
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>> || Yes, but there's no suggestion (other than a spoof) that
>> || their cameras or camera software will do this. Just don't
>> || buy Sony Music CDs.
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>> || Dave
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>> There no indication that they would not use a similar
>> business practice. I would rather error on the side of
>> caution.
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>> Cuz
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> This is matter of Corporate Culture mindset.
> I'm sure that a lot of high level people had to sign off on Sony's
> decision to plant Trojans on their CDs. The fact that they all agreed to
> do so indicates something about the ethics of the top management.
> I don't think this action by Sony will soon go away. IMHO, they will
> definitely be hurt bigtime by this unethical behavior..
> I don't want to sound moralistic or pessimistic about this BUT who can
> you trust anymore? The problem is endemic in the business community.
> Think Enron, Arthur Anderson, Tyco, Adelphia, WorldCom, all big
> players.....and the list goes on... and on.... and on...
> Even the top levels of the US Government are now taking mandatory
> courses in Ethics.
> Bob Williams
>
It is going to COST Sony. Texas (and maybe other states) has lawsuits
going against them already. They could also be prosecuted under
criminal law here. I hope they have to pay the full fine for each case.
Might lower my taxes...
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:37 am
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Jim wrote:
> "Cuz" <cuz RemoveThis @_cousins.org> wrote in message
> news:AjLgf.23195$tV6.21981@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> Jim <j.n RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>> || <NOTvalid RemoveThis @Queensbridge.us> wrote in message
>> || news:1132684885.931818.81030@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> ||| I bought a Sony Digital camera.
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>> ||| Any possibility that Sony loaded malichious sofware on my
>> ||| computer?
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>> ||| Altho I don't now use their software, it is on my computer.
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>> ||| I use a flash memory reader/writer as I have also
>> ||| Olympus
>> ||| and
>> ||| Fuji
>> ||| cameras, and I can more easly us the readers.
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>> ||| Should Sony s/w be removed?
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>> || The issue in question relates to software that they
>> || downloaded onto music CDs.
>> || Jim
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>> What assures you they would not use the same business practice in
>> another division?
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>> Cuz
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> Nothing, but the current debate is about malware on their audio disks.
> Jim
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>
It is not a large stretch to feel that this might be a corporate-wide
approach. I wouldn't risk it, but then I don't buy ANYTHING Sony.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:22 am
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:10 am
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In article <gd77o1t011higq7tv6nbq4nnpfe887vlgh.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, Bill Funk
<BigBill.RemoveThis@pipping.com.com> wrote:
> Sony/BMG put the rootkit on some music CDs for a reason: they wanted
> to cut piracy.
> There's no piracy to cut with their camera software, so there's no
> reason for Sony to do this.
> Doing this costs money; if there's no money to be saved/made, there's
> no reason for them to do it.
You'd think so... but many manufacturers make you go through hoops to
install software that has no conceivable use without their hardware.
I recall replacing a hard drive in a customers computer, and going nuts
trying to re-activate Olympus software. Couldn't find the activation
code, and had to give them everything but a DNA sample to convince them
he actually owned their camera.
Now, I'm told this is often because the software (or parts of it) was
written by a third party that insisted on the restrictions. But it
still makes no sense to me.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:10 am
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:10:48 -0500, Scott Schuckert <not.DeleteThis@aol.com>
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>In article <gd77o1t011higq7tv6nbq4nnpfe887vlgh.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, Bill Funk
><BigBill.DeleteThis@pipping.com.com> wrote:
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>> Sony/BMG put the rootkit on some music CDs for a reason: they wanted
>> to cut piracy.
>> There's no piracy to cut with their camera software, so there's no
>> reason for Sony to do this.
>> Doing this costs money; if there's no money to be saved/made, there's
>> no reason for them to do it.
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>You'd think so... but many manufacturers make you go through hoops to
>install software that has no conceivable use without their hardware.
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>I recall replacing a hard drive in a customers computer, and going nuts
>trying to re-activate Olympus software. Couldn't find the activation
>code, and had to give them everything but a DNA sample to convince them
>he actually owned their camera.
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>Now, I'm told this is often because the software (or parts of it) was
>written by a third party that insisted on the restrictions. But it
>still makes no sense to me.
It's called licensing; often the company (Olympus, in this case) that
distributes the software has no choice but to follow the licensing
requirements of the licensing company, who will make such rules for
reasons that are obvious (to protect their property).
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>Short version: just because it's nonsense, doesn't mean it's not true.
Slightly longer version: just because it seems to be nonsense doesn't
mean it is nonsense.
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:12 am
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:06:36 GMT, Mardon
<mgb72mgb.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Any company that would install a rootkit on a
>customer's PC without that customer's knowledge or consent is not the
>kind of company with which I want to do business.
I tend to agree, but would your choice to not give business
to Sony extend to all Sony products or only those that have
"Sony" written on the outside? Sony components (sensors,
CRTs, ...) are to be found almost everywhere.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:08 am
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:12:18 +0000, John Bean <waterfoot DeleteThis @gmail.com>
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>On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:06:36 GMT, Mardon
><mgb72mgb DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>Any company that would install a rootkit on a
>>customer's PC without that customer's knowledge or consent is not the
>>kind of company with which I want to do business.
>
>I tend to agree, but would your choice to not give business
>to Sony extend to all Sony products or only those that have
>"Sony" written on the outside? Sony components (sensors,
>CRTs, ...) are to be found almost everywhere.
I agree that a full-fledged boycott of all Sony products would require
that equipment containing embedded Sony chips not be purchased. But
I'm not trying to launch a boycott. What I describe in my previous
post is just a personal decision. Besides, not buying Sony branded
products is simple. It would be almost impossible to identify every
product that contains Sony parts and avoid all of them. I feel
certain that if a significant number of people do what I'm doing and
stop purchasing the Sony brand, it will still create more than enough
of a message to get Sony's attention and let them know that ethical
behavior is still important. I don't want to deal with a company that
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:08 am
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:08:16 GMT, Mardon <mgb72mgb.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:12:18 +0000, John Bean <waterfoot.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>>On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:06:36 GMT, Mardon
>><mgb72mgb.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>Any company that would install a rootkit on a
>>>customer's PC without that customer's knowledge or consent is not the
>>>kind of company with which I want to do business.
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>>I tend to agree, but would your choice to not give business
>>to Sony extend to all Sony products or only those that have
>>"Sony" written on the outside? Sony components (sensors,
>>CRTs, ...) are to be found almost everywhere.
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>I agree that a full-fledged boycott of all Sony products would require
>that equipment containing embedded Sony chips not be purchased. But
>I'm not trying to launch a boycott. What I describe in my previous
>post is just a personal decision. Besides, not buying Sony branded
>products is simple. It would be almost impossible to identify every
>product that contains Sony parts and avoid all of them. I feel
>certain that if a significant number of people do what I'm doing and
>stop purchasing the Sony brand, it will still create more than enough
>of a message to get Sony's attention and let them know that ethical
>behavior is still important. I don't want to deal with a company that
>demonstrates their kind of disregard for that principle.
To be honest, I think Sony has alreaqdy gotten the message that they
screwed up, big time.
The question is, what will they do with this knowledge?
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:43 am
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:08:16 GMT, Mardon
<mgb72mgb.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:12:18 +0000, John Bean <waterfoot.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>>On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:06:36 GMT, Mardon
>><mgb72mgb.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Any company that would install a rootkit on a
>>>customer's PC without that customer's knowledge or consent is not the
>>>kind of company with which I want to do business.
>>
>>I tend to agree, but would your choice to not give business
>>to Sony extend to all Sony products or only those that have
>>"Sony" written on the outside? Sony components (sensors,
>>CRTs, ...) are to be found almost everywhere.
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>I agree that a full-fledged boycott of all Sony products would require
>that equipment containing embedded Sony chips not be purchased. But
>I'm not trying to launch a boycott. What I describe in my previous
>post is just a personal decision.
It's a decision that I think many people will make,
including me. I'm sure Sony can live without my business,
and I can certainly live without Sony - or any other vendor
that adopts similar practices.
Lots of people won't know or care about it but I'm not one
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:52 am
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enmicabesa.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:
> Original question concerned cameras, not delusions about worlwide
> conspiracies
The original question concerned Sony digital cameras, in the context of
whether or not said products can be trusted in light of of some of the
other serious missteps the manufacturer has made recently. The
discussion continues to fit within that subject matter.
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