Dangerous Sony sofware for cameras

On 22 Nov 2005 10:41:25 -0800, NOTvalid.RemoveThis@Queensbridge.us wrote:

>I bought a Sony Digital camera.
>
>Any possibility that Sony loaded malichious sofware on my computer?
>
>Altho I don't now use their software, it is on my computer.
>
>I use a flash memory reader/writer as I have also
>Olympus
>and
>Fuji
>cameras, and I can more easly us the readers.
>
>Should Sony s/w be removed?

Sony/BMG put the rootkit on some music CDs for a reason: they wanted
to cut piracy.
There's no piracy to cut with their camera software, so there's no
reason for Sony to do this.
Doing this costs money; if there's no money to be saved/made, there's
no reason for them to do it.

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Original question concerned cameras, not delusions about worlwide
conspiracies, try alt.conspiracies.
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NOTvalid RemoveThis @Queensbridge.us wrote:
|| I bought a Sony Digital camera.
||
|| Any possibility that Sony loaded malichious sofware on my
|| computer?
||
|| Altho I don't now use their software, it is on my computer.
||
|| I use a flash memory reader/writer as I have also
|| Olympus
|| and
|| Fuji
|| cameras, and I can more easly us the readers.
||
|| Should Sony s/w be removed?
||
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I would probably at least scan my PC with a rootkit scanner, but
then I am paranoid, sometimes with reason..

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it's already too late." -- by anonymous Mother in Austin, TX
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enmicabesa DeleteThis @hotmail.com () wrote in
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> Do a little googling, its a net scam

Net scam? You think that Sony didn't plant trojan horse software on
PCs via their music CDs?

11/22/2005 02:08:10 PM EST -- UPI Entertainment News

Sony BMG sued over embedded spyware

Sony BMG has been hit by lawsuits in California and Texas over its
copy-protected CDs that install computer files without the owners'
knowledge.

Monday's court actions were just the latest headache for Sony, which
last week recalled all of its CDs containing the hidden XCP software
because the program was exploited to place a virus on some computers.

The suit filed by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott was the state's
first under its Consumer Protection Against Computer Spyware Act of
2005, The Hollywood Reporter said.

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<NOTvalid.DeleteThis@Queensbridge.us> wrote in message
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>I bought a Sony Digital camera.
>
> Any possibility that Sony loaded malichious sofware on my computer?
>
> Altho I don't now use their software, it is on my computer.
>
> I use a flash memory reader/writer as I have also
> Olympus
> and
> Fuji
> cameras, and I can more easly us the readers.
>
> Should Sony s/w be removed?
>
> ----
> Incredibly low long distance phone rates. As low as USA-Canada 1.9CPM!
> Works as prepaid phone card. PIN not needed for calls from home or cell
> phone. Compare the rates at https://www.OneSuite.com/ No monthly fee or
> minimum. Use Promotion/SuiteTreat Code: "FREEoffer23" for FREE time.
>
The issue in question relates to software that they downloaded onto music
CDs.
Jim
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Bert Hyman <bert RemoveThis @iphouse.com> writes:
>enmicabesa@hotmail.com () wrote in
>news:1132687620.895591.15420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

>> Do a little googling, its a net scam

>Net scam? You think that Sony didn't plant trojan horse software on
>PCs via their music CDs?

Yes, but there's no suggestion (other than a spoof) that their cameras
or camera software will do this. Just don't buy Sony Music CDs.

Dave
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On 2005/11/22 3:31 PM, "Dave Martindale" <davem.RemoveThis@cs.ubc.ca> wrote:

> Bert Hyman <bert.RemoveThis@iphouse.com> writes:
>> enmicabesa.RemoveThis@hotmail.com () wrote in
>> news:1132687620.895591.15420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>
>>> Do a little googling, its a net scam
>
>> Net scam? You think that Sony didn't plant trojan horse software on
>> PCs via their music CDs?
>
> Yes, but there's no suggestion (other than a spoof) that their cameras
> or camera software will do this. Just don't buy Sony Music CDs.

Given their track record, do you want to trust them at all?

Not only did Sony install spyware in the guise of a music player, but hey
used root kit technology to hide it and denied that there was a 'phone home"
function. While there have been no substantiated reports of similar
activities in other areas, I choose to not buy any of their products.
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Dave Martindale <davem.DeleteThis@cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
|| Bert Hyman <bert.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> writes:
||| enmicabesa.DeleteThis@hotmail.com () wrote in
||| news:1132687620.895591.15420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
||
|||| Do a little googling, its a net scam
||
||| Net scam? You think that Sony didn't plant trojan horse
||| software on PCs via their music CDs?
||
|| Yes, but there's no suggestion (other than a spoof) that
|| their cameras or camera software will do this. Just don't
|| buy Sony Music CDs.
||
|| Dave


There no indication that they would not use a similar
business practice. I would rather error on the side of
caution.

Cuz
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Cuz wrote:

> Dave Martindale <davem.DeleteThis@cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
> || Bert Hyman <bert.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> writes:
> ||| enmicabesa.DeleteThis@hotmail.com () wrote in
> ||| news:1132687620.895591.15420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> ||
> |||| Do a little googling, its a net scam
> ||
> ||| Net scam? You think that Sony didn't plant trojan horse
> ||| software on PCs via their music CDs?
> ||
> || Yes, but there's no suggestion (other than a spoof) that
> || their cameras or camera software will do this. Just don't
> || buy Sony Music CDs.
> ||
> || Dave
>
>
> There no indication that they would not use a similar
> business practice. I would rather error on the side of
> caution.
>
> Cuz


This is matter of Corporate Culture mindset.
I'm sure that a lot of high level people had to sign off on Sony's
decision to plant Trojans on their CDs. The fact that they all agreed to
do so indicates something about the ethics of the top management.
I don't think this action by Sony will soon go away. IMHO, they will
definitely be hurt bigtime by this unethical behavior..
I don't want to sound moralistic or pessimistic about this BUT who can
you trust anymore? The problem is endemic in the business community.
Think Enron, Arthur Anderson, Tyco, Adelphia, WorldCom, all big
players.....and the list goes on... and on.... and on...
Even the top levels of the US Government are now taking mandatory
courses in Ethics.
Bob Williams
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Jim <j.n.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:
|| <NOTvalid.RemoveThis@Queensbridge.us> wrote in message
|| news:1132684885.931818.81030@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
||| I bought a Sony Digital camera.
|||
||| Any possibility that Sony loaded malichious sofware on my
||| computer?
|||
||| Altho I don't now use their software, it is on my computer.
|||
||| I use a flash memory reader/writer as I have also
||| Olympus
||| and
||| Fuji
||| cameras, and I can more easly us the readers.
|||
||| Should Sony s/w be removed?
|||
||| ----
||| Incredibly low long distance phone rates. As low as
||| USA-Canada 1.9CPM! Works as prepaid phone card. PIN not
||| needed for calls from home or cell phone. Compare the rates
||| at https://www.OneSuite.com/ No monthly fee or minimum. Use
||| Promotion/SuiteTreat Code: "FREEoffer23" for FREE time.
|||
|| The issue in question relates to software that they
|| downloaded onto music CDs.
|| Jim

What assures you they would not use the same business practice
in
another division?

Cuz
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davem.RemoveThis@cs.ubc.ca (Dave Martindale) wrote in
news:dlvv7j$pog$1@mughi.cs.ubc.ca:

>
> Bert Hyman <bert.RemoveThis@iphouse.com> writes:
>>enmicabesa@hotmail.com () wrote in
>>news:1132687620.895591.15420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>
>>> Do a little googling, its a net scam
>
>>Net scam? You think that Sony didn't plant trojan horse software on
>>PCs via their music CDs?
>
> Yes, but there's no suggestion (other than a spoof) that their
> cameras or camera software will do this. Just don't buy Sony Music
> CDs.

Maybe. I think the OP's hidden question was whether he can trust
anything from Sony enough to install it on his PC.

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On 22 Nov 2005 10:41:25 -0800, NOTvalid DeleteThis @Queensbridge.us wrote:

>I bought a Sony Digital camera.
>
>Any possibility that Sony loaded malichious sofware on my computer?
>
>Altho I don't now use their software, it is on my computer.
>
>I use a flash memory reader/writer as I have also Olympus
>and Fuji
>cameras, and I can more easly us the readers.
>
>Should Sony s/w be removed?

I haven't yet heard of any problems with malicious Sony software for
cameras, but just at the moment I wouldn't put anything past Sony. But
if they did do anything underhand, you wouldn't be able to remove it
with standard software deinstallation. So for the moment you might as
well leave it there IMHO.

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Stephen Poley
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"Cuz" <cuz.RemoveThis@_cousins.org> wrote in message
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> Jim <j.n.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> || <NOTvalid.RemoveThis@Queensbridge.us> wrote in message
> || news:1132684885.931818.81030@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> ||| I bought a Sony Digital camera.
> |||
> ||| Any possibility that Sony loaded malichious sofware on my
> ||| computer?
> |||
> ||| Altho I don't now use their software, it is on my computer.
> |||
> ||| I use a flash memory reader/writer as I have also
> ||| Olympus
> ||| and
> ||| Fuji
> ||| cameras, and I can more easly us the readers.
> |||
> ||| Should Sony s/w be removed?
> |||
> ||| ----
> ||| Incredibly low long distance phone rates. As low as
> ||| USA-Canada 1.9CPM! Works as prepaid phone card. PIN not
> ||| needed for calls from home or cell phone. Compare the rates
> ||| at https://www.OneSuite.com/ No monthly fee or minimum. Use
> ||| Promotion/SuiteTreat Code: "FREEoffer23" for FREE time.
> |||
> || The issue in question relates to software that they
> || downloaded onto music CDs.
> || Jim
>
> What assures you they would not use the same business practice in
> another division?
>
> Cuz
>
>
>
Nothing, but the current debate is about malware on their audio disks.
Jim
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