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(Msg. 31) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:16 pm
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:46:34 GMT, "David J Taylor"
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>John Navas wrote:
>[]
>> When you do get that fussed, free download from
>> <http://www.nero.com/enu/support-nero8-tools-utilities.html>
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>I already have the program as part of my Nero installation, but your URL
>provided a useful upgrade from what I had. The two DVDs show:
>Philips: MBI 01RG40
MBI= Moser Baer India Ltd
>Verbatim: MCC 03RG20
MCC = Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.
Check those codes at <http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia>, and you'll
find that both are generally rated Good.
The problem is that Philips (like other brands) is a whore, so you can't
count on that quality just by picking the brand -- there are five (5)
different media bearing the Philips 16X DVD-R brand.
By comparison, Verbatim media is only its own brand. This is one of the
reasons I favor Verbatim.
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:28 pm
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:08:37 GMT, "HEMI-Powered" <none.TakeThisOut@none.en> wrote in
<Xns9A4185B52D357ReplyScoreID.TakeThisOut@140.99.99.130>:
>John Navas added these comments in the current discussion du
>jour ...
>> DVD+R do not require formatting. Are you thinking of DVD+RW?
>> Different technology. Please be precise in your posts.
>
>No, I meant what I said. My PC does not need to format a +R but
>my DVR does. I do not use -RW anything, too many problems.
DVD+R is write once. Formatting would make it unusable. Perhaps that's
just session lead-in.
>>>I will add one more
>>>comment about my method of insuring or at least trying to
>>>insure a truly error-free burn: no matter what the file type
>>>whether it be JPEG, RAW, MS Office, downloaded app updates,
>>>MP3 files, just about any common graphics or non-graphics file
>>>formats, I ALWAYS do a number of sample reads/opens on the
>>>just burned disc even though no errors have been reported. Now
>>>THAT has shown an occasional problem. e.g., an entire folder
>>>full of MS 97 Word .doc files burned correctly but none could
>>>be opened.
>>
>> Then your burning software is fatally flawed and should be
>> replaced.
>
>John, please don't jump to conclusions here. I hardly think that
>Roxio 8 is "fatally flawed", I was simply commenting in the
>context of errorless burns that in fact were not reliable.
Simply not possible if the burn software is doing its job. I've had
lots of problems with Roxio software, which is why I don't use it. I've
had problems with Nero as well, but much less.
>It
>often occurs in many peer-to-peer help NGs that some folks assume
>that anything out of the ordinary, perhaps not what they're used
>to seeing, automagically means that either the software or the
>user is broken. My experience is that while that MAY be true, one
>needs to dig a little deeper and clarify what is happening. So, I
>was describing MY method of increasing my confidence in a good
>burn and NOT because I don't trust Roxio 8.
It's clearly broken, given those symptoms, no assumption needed. But
I'm not going to argue about it -- you're free to think whatever you
wish.
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:29 pm
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:08:37 GMT, "HEMI-Powered" <none.TakeThisOut@none.en> wrote in
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>[SNIP]
If you're going to insult those with more experience trying to help you,
and ignore their advice, then why ask for advice in the first place?
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:18 pm
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008, John Navas <spamfilter1 RemoveThis @navasgroup.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:02:33 GMT, "HEMI-Powered" wrote:
>>Any info you could pass on wrt error handling would be most
>>appreciated.
>
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD%2BR>
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> In addition, DVD+R(W) has a more robust error management system than
> DVD-R(W), allowing for more accurate burning to media independent of
> the quality of the media. Additional session linking methods are more
> accurate with DVD+R(W) versus DVD-R(W), resulting in fewer damaged or
> unusable discs due to buffer under-run and multi-session disks with
> fewer PI/PO errors.
Maybe this is why +R discs store about 7 MB less.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:24 pm
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John Navas wrote:
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>> Philips: MBI 01RG40
> MBI= Moser Baer India Ltd
>> Verbatim: MCC 03RG20
> MCC = Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.
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> Check those codes at <http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia>, and you'll
> find that both are generally rated Good.
>
> The problem is that Philips (like other brands) is a whore, so you
> can't count on that quality just by picking the brand -- there are
> five (5) different media bearing the Philips 16X DVD-R brand.
>
> By comparison, Verbatim media is only its own brand. This is one of
> the reasons I favor Verbatim.
Thanks, John. I've bookmarked that page. Some time ago, I would have
trusted Philips as co-inventor of the CD, but today I just buy what I can
get....at least, with a "known" brand name.
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:03 am
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MikeM wrote:
> I was told by a salesman that the 50 packs of TDK DVD+Rs are $20
> dearer than 50 packs of DVD-Rs because the DVD+Rs are intended for
> archival use whereas the DVD-Rs are for recording things like TV
> shows. This is not what I've been told about the difference in the
> past. The packs seem to be almost identical, no mention of quality on
> either pack.
>
> Thanks
> Mike
It might also depend on what else you're planning to do with your burnt
DVDs.
Quite a few DVD players that I've recently used can only play back DVD-R
discs.
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:03 am
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:03:03 +1100, dj_nme <dj_nme.DeleteThis@iinet.net.au> wrote
in <47b055a0$0$20211$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>:
>MikeM wrote:
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>> I was told by a salesman that the 50 packs of TDK DVD+Rs are $20
>> dearer than 50 packs of DVD-Rs because the DVD+Rs are intended for
>> archival use whereas the DVD-Rs are for recording things like TV
>> shows. This is not what I've been told about the difference in the
>> past. The packs seem to be almost identical, no mention of quality on
>> either pack.
>It might also depend on what else you're planning to do with your burnt
>DVDs.
>Quite a few DVD players that I've recently used can only play back DVD-R
>discs.
There are likewise DVD players that can only be used to play back DVD+R
discs.
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:36 pm
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HEMI-Powered wrote:
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> MikeM added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
> > I was told by a salesman that the 50 packs of TDK DVD+Rs are
> > $20 dearer than 50 packs of DVD-Rs because the DVD+Rs are
> > intended for archival use whereas the DVD-Rs are for recording
> > things like TV shows. This is not what I've been told about
> > the difference in the past. The packs seem to be almost
> > identical, no mention of quality on either pack.
> >
> Mike, are you intending to use either of these DVD types on your
> PC or a TV DVR or both? I personally like Verbatim DVD-R the best
> on my PC because they are the most reliable. Most other brands of
> DVD-R also work generally very well on my PC but I stay away from
> the no-name discs or store brands. The reason is that these
> things are a dollar or less, sometimes two bits when on sale for
> a spindle of 50 or 100 and it makes no sense to shave a few
> pennies only to find out later there was some corruption even
> with a no-errors burn.
>
> I also have a Panasonic DVR with a VHS tape drive and a DVD
> reader/burner. It will use either DVD-R or DVD+R but wants to
> format the +R even though it is unnecessary. Some brands, such as
> Memorex -R or +R simply will not burn on the DVR. It gets
> anywhere from 50% complete to 100% and is in the process of
> "finalizing" the disc when it fails. So, I use Verbatim -R
> exclusively.
Hello, Jerry:
I own two different models of Panasonic VHS/DVD-recorder combo units.
The newer one (DMR-ES45V) has an HDMI output (which is connected to
my Sanyo HT30744 30" wide screen HDTV set) and an SD card slot.
> You didn't mention dual layer DVD-R/+R, but here's my experience
> with those: I find that both Memorex and Verbatim of either type
> work perfectly fine on my PC. Other name brands such as Sony also
> work OK. I use these when I need to either pack as many gigs
> worth of files as I can onto one disc or the size of the file
> exceeds a single layer capacity. e.g., my Acronis True Image
> image files average between 5 and 6 gig depending on compression.
<edited for brevity>
My LG Electronics GSA-4120B "Super Multi" IDE drive supports double
layer DVD+R, but, I've never bought any such discs. I wouldn't entrust
my data to them, regardless; they're only good for movies (and/or other
non-critical uses), in my opinion.
Cordially,
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:36 pm
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MikeM wrote:
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> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:40:38 GMT, MikeM <mmo45018.RemoveThis@bigpond.net.au>
> wrote:
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> >I was told by a salesman that the 50 packs of TDK DVD+Rs are $20
> >dearer than 50 packs of DVD-Rs because the DVD+Rs are intended for
> >archival use whereas the DVD-Rs are for recording things like TV
> >shows. This is not what I've been told about the difference in the
> >past. The packs seem to be almost identical, no mention of quality on
> >either pack.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Mike
>
>
> I have used DVDs to back up digital photos on my computer. I started
> using HDDs because I kept getting errors on the disks. Since then I
> have read a number of posts about burning speed making a difference. I
> am thinking of having another go at disks, but burning at the slowest
> speeds. The speed difference might explain my experience that DVD-RWs
> didn't have errors, it seems it might have been because they are 4X. I
> was burning the DVD-Rs at whatever speed my burner chose.
Hello, Mike:
Yes, slower writing speeds are normally safer than faster ones. Also,
consider buying a device with DVD-RAM capability, which is the best
format for data storage.
My LG Electronics GSA-4120B "Super Multi" IDE drive includes DVD-RAM,
among its many recordable types of media. A DVD-RAM disc can be
accessed as readily as a hard disk or a floppy, and features extra
error correction, as well.
Cordially,
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:36 pm
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John Navas wrote:
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> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:46:34 GMT, "David J Taylor"
> <david-taylor.RemoveThis@blueyonder.neither-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk> wrote in
> <_R%rj.5489$XI.4340@text.news.virginmedia.com>:
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> >John Navas wrote:
> >[]
> >> When you do get that fussed, free download from
> >> <http://www.nero.com/enu/support-nero8-tools-utilities.html>
> >
> >I already have the program as part of my Nero installation, but your URL
> >provided a useful upgrade from what I had. The two DVDs show:
>
> >Philips: MBI 01RG40
> MBI= Moser Baer India Ltd
> >Verbatim: MCC 03RG20
> MCC = Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.
>
> Check those codes at <http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia>, and you'll
> find that both are generally rated Good.
>
> The problem is that Philips (like other brands) is a whore, so you can't
> count on that quality just by picking the brand -- there are five (5)
> different media bearing the Philips 16X DVD-R brand.
>
> By comparison, Verbatim media is only its own brand. This is one of the
> reasons I favor Verbatim.
Hello, John:
Indeed, "Verbatim" is a trademark of Mitsubishi, which is one of the
comparatively few manufacturers of recordable optical media; the vast
majority of companies merely relabel the discs, bearing their names.
Cordially,
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:35 am
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:29:55 GMT, John Navas wrote:
>>[SNIP]
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> If you're going to insult those with more experience trying to help you,
> and ignore their advice, then why ask for advice in the first place?
Nothing new here. It's the nature of the beast, as has been
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:53 am
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John Navas <spamfilter1.DeleteThis@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> rfischer.DeleteThis@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
>>MikeM <mmo45018.DeleteThis@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>I was told by a salesman that the 50 packs of TDK DVD+Rs are $20
>>>dearer than 50 packs of DVD-Rs because the DVD+Rs are intended for
>>>archival use whereas the DVD-Rs are for recording things like TV
>>>shows.
>>
>>If you had brains would you be a salesdweeb at some electronics store?
>
>If you had brains would you be believing a salesdweeb at some
>electronics store? 
Everybody is ignorant in some arena, but salesdweebs are generally
paid little to promote whatever product the store manager wants to
sell.
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:26 am
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On 16 Feb 2008 06:53:39 GMT, rfischer.RemoveThis@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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>John Navas <spamfilter1.RemoveThis@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> rfischer.RemoveThis@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
>>>MikeM <mmo45018.RemoveThis@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>>>>I was told by a salesman that the 50 packs of TDK DVD+Rs are $20
>>>>dearer than 50 packs of DVD-Rs because the DVD+Rs are intended for
>>>>archival use whereas the DVD-Rs are for recording things like TV
>>>>shows.
>>>
>>>If you had brains would you be a salesdweeb at some electronics store?
>>
>>If you had brains would you be believing a salesdweeb at some
>>electronics store?
>
>Everybody is ignorant in some arena, but salesdweebs are generally
>paid little to promote whatever product the store manager wants to
>sell.
Usually more a matter of spiff.
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:59 am
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John Turco added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...
>> I also have a Panasonic DVR with a VHS tape drive and a DVD
>> reader/burner. It will use either DVD-R or DVD+R but wants to
>> format the +R even though it is unnecessary. Some brands,
>> such as Memorex -R or +R simply will not burn on the DVR. It
>> gets anywhere from 50% complete to 100% and is in the process
>> of "finalizing" the disc when it fails. So, I use Verbatim -R
>> exclusively.
>
> Hello, Jerry:
>
> I own two different models of Panasonic VHS/DVD-recorder combo
> units. The newer one (DMR-ES45V) has an HDMI output (which is
> connected to my Sanyo HT30744 30" wide screen HDTV set) and an
> SD card slot.
>
>> You didn't mention dual layer DVD-R/+R, but here's my
>> experience with those: I find that both Memorex and Verbatim
>> of either type work perfectly fine on my PC. Other name
>> brands such as Sony also work OK. I use these when I need to
>> either pack as many gigs worth of files as I can onto one
>> disc or the size of the file exceeds a single layer capacity.
>> e.g., my Acronis True Image image files average between 5 and
>> 6 gig depending on compression.
>
> <edited for brevity>
>
> My LG Electronics GSA-4120B "Super Multi" IDE drive supports
> double layer DVD+R, but, I've never bought any such discs. I
> wouldn't entrust my data to them, regardless; they're only
> good for movies (and/or other non-critical uses), in my
> opinion.
> Cordially,
> John Turco <jtur.TakeThisOut@concentric.net>
>
Thanks muchly for you many comments and insights in this thread,
John. I, too, have stopped using the dual-layer discs on my DVRs.
As I think I mentioned in an early reply, I upped the compression
from "SP" to "LP" or even "EP" and did not notice any image
degradation of the older movies and TV shows I watch but a BIG
reduction in file size obsoleting the need for the higher gig
discs.
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:21 am
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HEMI - Powered wrote:
<edited for brevity>
> Thanks muchly for you many comments and insights in this thread,
> John. I, too, have stopped using the dual-layer discs on my DVRs.
> As I think I mentioned in an early reply, I upped the compression
> from "SP" to "LP" or even "EP" and did not notice any image
> degradation of the older movies and TV shows I watch but a BIG
> reduction in file size obsoleting the need for the higher gig
> discs.
Hello, Jerry:
"DVD Shrink" <http://www.dvdshrink.org> is a freeware "ripping"
program, which allows one to fit even the lengthiest movie, onto
an ordinary, single-layer disc (with no noticeable loss of quality).
I've experimented with it, briefly, and it really seems to work,
as advertised.
Softwarecenterz.com - Download DVD Shrink
<http://dvdshrink.softwarecenterz.com>
Good luck!
Cordially,
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