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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:10 pm
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Just bought my first DSLR and I am going through the manual trying
the different functions and I stumbled upon something that isn't clear
in the manual. At least isn't clear to me. The DSLR is the Sony a300
The manual is here:
http://www.docs.sony.com/release/DSLRA300.pdf
On page 58, Number 2.........
What isn't clear to me is how to activate "Pa", (Aperture priority
program shift)
I can change "P", (Program) to "Ps", (Shutter speed priority program
shift) just by rotating the control CW or CCW as instructed, but I can
not figure out how to get "Pa" on the display. All the manual says is
"Switch to". How do I switch to? |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:01 pm
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:10:48 -0500, dxsam.DeleteThis@lions.net wrote:
> On page 58, Number 2.........
> What isn't clear to me is how to activate "Pa", (Aperture priority
> program shift)
>
> I can change "P", (Program) to "Ps", (Shutter speed priority program
> shift) just by rotating the control CW or CCW as instructed, but I can
> not figure out how to get "Pa" on the display. All the manual says is
> "Switch to". How do I switch to?
The A300 has both a Control Dial and a Mode Dial. The Mode dial
is used to set the camera to different shooting modes, including
P(rogram), A(perture priority), S(hutter priority) and M(anual)
mode. As described on page 58 when the A300 is in Program mode, the
control wheel can be used to select different combinations of the
same exposure by simultaneous adjusting the shutter speed and
aperture. Although I don't have and A300, it seems that even though
rotating the Control Dial produces the Ps icon, it may only be a
pseudo Shutter Priority mode. Try it, adjusting the shutter speed,
and see if the shutter speed is maintained after releasing the
shutter. To get to the *real* Shutter Priority or Aperture Priority
shooting modes, turn the Mode dial to S or A.
Someone else that has an A300 or A350 may be able to tell you if
the description on page 58 of how to switch to "Pa" (Aperture
priority program shift) as a subset of P(rogram) mode is possible or
not. The manual on page 59 simply tells you turn the Mode dial to
A, but I assume that this keeps the camera in Aperture priority
mode, whereas the manual (again on page 5  notes that Ps and Pa
modes revert to P mode after the camera is turned off and on or
after a certain period of time is passed. Whatever, I think that
changing the Mode Dial to A will get you to where you want to be. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:05 pm
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dxsam.DeleteThis@lions.net wrote:
> Just bought my first DSLR and I am going through the manual trying
> the different functions and I stumbled upon something that isn't clear
> in the manual. At least isn't clear to me. The DSLR is the Sony a300
>
> The manual is here:
> http://www.docs.sony.com/release/DSLRA300.pdf
>
>
> On page 58, Number 2.........
> What isn't clear to me is how to activate "Pa", (Aperture priority
> program shift)
>
> I can change "P", (Program) to "Ps", (Shutter speed priority program
> shift) just by rotating the control CW or CCW as instructed, but I can
> not figure out how to get "Pa" on the display. All the manual says is
> "Switch to". How do I switch to?
Not sure, but try depressing (or holding) the +/- button before (while)
you turn the control wheel.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:51 pm
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:10:48 -0500, dxsam.TakeThisOut@lions.net wrote:
>Just bought my first DSLR and I am going through the manual trying
>the different functions and I stumbled upon something that isn't clear
>in the manual. At least isn't clear to me. The DSLR is the Sony a300
>
>The manual is here:
> http://www.docs.sony.com/release/DSLRA300.pdf
>
>
>On page 58, Number 2.........
>What isn't clear to me is how to activate "Pa", (Aperture priority
>program shift)
>
>I can change "P", (Program) to "Ps", (Shutter speed priority program
>shift) just by rotating the control CW or CCW as instructed, but I can
>not figure out how to get "Pa" on the display. All the manual says is
>"Switch to". How do I switch to?
Thanks for the reply's. I did find the method of achieving "Pa"
The manual needs to be updated so that this method is more
apparent.
On page 120 under "Changing the function of the control dial"
you can change the default setting for the program shift that
is activated by the control dial. You can change the default from
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:20 pm
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dxsam.TakeThisOut@lions.net wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:10:48 -0500, dxsam.TakeThisOut@lions.net wrote:
>
>> Just bought my first DSLR and I am going through the manual trying
>> the different functions and I stumbled upon something that isn't clear
>> in the manual. At least isn't clear to me. The DSLR is the Sony a300
>>
>> The manual is here:
>> http://www.docs.sony.com/release/DSLRA300.pdf
>>
>>
>> On page 58, Number 2.........
>> What isn't clear to me is how to activate "Pa", (Aperture priority
>> program shift)
>>
>> I can change "P", (Program) to "Ps", (Shutter speed priority program
>> shift) just by rotating the control CW or CCW as instructed, but I can
>> not figure out how to get "Pa" on the display. All the manual says is
>> "Switch to". How do I switch to?
>
> Thanks for the reply's. I did find the method of achieving "Pa"
> The manual needs to be updated so that this method is more
> apparent.
>
> On page 120 under "Changing the function of the control dial"
> you can change the default setting for the program shift that
> is activated by the control dial. You can change the default from
> Ps to Pa. Duh.
You should not have to change the default action. You should always be
able to Pa or Ps from P.
Sony have done an atrocious job on their alpha manuals. Whether poor
noun choice, bad grammar or ambiguities and incompleteness.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:20 pm
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Alan Browne wrote:
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> Sony have done an atrocious job on their alpha manuals. Whether poor
> noun choice, bad grammar or ambiguities and incompleteness.
I sure hope they haven't written and published any incomplete sentences!
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:01 pm
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:01 pm
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Alan Browne wrote:
> John McWilliams wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>
>>> Sony have done an atrocious job on their alpha manuals. Whether poor
>>> noun choice, bad grammar or ambiguities and incompleteness.
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>> I sure hope they haven't written and published any incomplete sentences!
>
> The 2nd was not incomplete, it was an enumeration completing the first.
>
None-the-less, it's an imcomplete sentence, and the last sentence should
have employed a semicolon.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:51 pm
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John McWilliams wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>> John McWilliams wrote:
>>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sony have done an atrocious job on their alpha manuals. Whether
>>>> poor noun choice, bad grammar or ambiguities and incompleteness.
>>>
>>> I sure hope they haven't written and published any incomplete sentences!
>>
>> The 2nd was not incomplete, it was an enumeration completing the first.
>>
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> None-the-less, it's an imcomplete sentence, and the last sentence should
> have employed a semicolon.
1. Nonetheless, not none-the-less.
2. Incomplete, not imcomplete.
3. The sentence is not incomplete it is part of a legitimately composed
paragraph.
4. Enumerations do not demand a semicolon thought they may employ them
for clarity if the list is long enough.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:06 pm
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:51:35 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote:
>John McWilliams wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> John McWilliams wrote:
>>>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sony have done an atrocious job on their alpha manuals. Whether
>>>>> poor noun choice, bad grammar or ambiguities and incompleteness.
>>>>
>>>> I sure hope they haven't written and published any incomplete sentences!
>>>
>>> The 2nd was not incomplete, it was an enumeration completing the first.
>>>
>>
>> None-the-less, it's an imcomplete sentence, and the last sentence should
>> have employed a semicolon.
>
>1. Nonetheless, not none-the-less.
>2. Incomplete, not imcomplete.
>3. The sentence is not incomplete it is part of a legitimately composed
>paragraph.
>4. Enumerations do not demand a semicolon thought they may employ them
>for clarity if the list is long enough.
The sentence is, among other things, incomplete. It can be corrected
by making it:
"Sony has done an atrocious job on their Alpha manuals, whether
by poor noun choice, bad grammar, ambiguities, or incompleteness."
(I prefer, and use, the Oxford comma or - as some call it - the
"serial comma.)
Some might put a semi-colon after "manuals", but it's not mandatory.
I don't like "incompleteness" there, but I guess it's allowable. I'd
use "incomplete instructions".
The semi-colon John is referring to belongs in: "The 2nd was not
incomplete; it was an enumeration completing the first."
I agree that the spelling is "nonetheless". I have never heard of
allowing an incomplete sentence in a paragraph because it enumerates
unless you consider bullet points as an incomplete sentence.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:25 am
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Alan Browne wrote:
> Sony have done an atrocious job on their alpha manuals. Whether poor
> noun choice, bad grammar or ambiguities and incompleteness.
There seems to be an increasing tendency for manuals of complex
consumer products not to mention too many of the complexities in case
it reduces sales.
I don't know if this applies to the manuals of other DSLR makers, but
I note that Sony's manuals give you the impression that the only
possible way to extend your camera's performance with add-ons is to
use the appropariate (and usually very expensive) Sony product,
whereas the engineers who designed the system have often left the door
open to more general use, if you can be bothered to do a bit of
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:25 am
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On 23 Nov 2008 11:44:14 GMT, Chris Malcolm wrote:
>Alan Browne wrote:
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>> Sony have done an atrocious job on their alpha manuals. Whether poor
>> noun choice, bad grammar or ambiguities and incompleteness.
>
>There seems to be an increasing tendency for manuals of complex
>consumer products not to mention too many of the complexities in case
>it reduces sales.
>
>I don't know if this applies to the manuals of other DSLR makers, but
>I note that Sony's manuals give you the impression that the only
>possible way to extend your camera's performance with add-ons is to
>use the appropariate (and usually very expensive) Sony product,
>whereas the engineers who designed the system have often left the door
>open to more general use, if you can be bothered to do a bit of
>rummaging and experimenting.
Or ... perhaps the makers of Sony cameras expect a modicum of intelligence of
their consumers? Maybe you have to go back to kindergarten before you should
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:25 pm
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Hudson_P wrote:
> On 23 Nov 2008 11:44:14 GMT, Chris Malcolm wrote:
>>Alan Browne wrote:
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>>> Sony have done an atrocious job on their alpha manuals. Whether poor
>>> noun choice, bad grammar or ambiguities and incompleteness.
>>
>>There seems to be an increasing tendency for manuals of complex
>>consumer products not to mention too many of the complexities in case
>>it reduces sales.
>>
>>I don't know if this applies to the manuals of other DSLR makers, but
>>I note that Sony's manuals give you the impression that the only
>>possible way to extend your camera's performance with add-ons is to
>>use the appropariate (and usually very expensive) Sony product,
>>whereas the engineers who designed the system have often left the door
>>open to more general use, if you can be bothered to do a bit of
>>rummaging and experimenting.
> Or ... perhaps the makers of Sony cameras expect a modicum of intelligence of
> their consumers? Maybe you have to go back to kindergarten before you should
> feel comfortable purchasing a more advanced camera.
I guess you've never read a Sony DSLR manual, and were probably
behaving badly in an overcroweded kindergarten where they had no time
to teach politeness at the time when I was selling SLR film
photographs.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:48 pm
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Chris Malcolm wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
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>> Sony have done an atrocious job on their alpha manuals. Whether poor
>> noun choice, bad grammar or ambiguities and incompleteness.
>
> There seems to be an increasing tendency for manuals of complex
> consumer products not to mention too many of the complexities in case
> it reduces sales.
In this case had the manual been my only source of detailed information,
it would have killed the sale dead. Thankfully through brochures,
forums (like this one and others) and the always helpful David
Kilpatrick, I'm very sure about what I am really getting.
> I don't know if this applies to the manuals of other DSLR makers, but
> I note that Sony's manuals give you the impression that the only
> possible way to extend your camera's performance with add-ons is to
> use the appropariate (and usually very expensive) Sony product,
> whereas the engineers who designed the system have often left the door
> open to more general use, if you can be bothered to do a bit of
> rummaging and experimenting.
Most product manuals push the company accessories, then partner
accessories before mentioning other products (if at all). There is
nothing 'wrong' with that (except where they put fear into people with
the use of lines like 'using 3rd party products may result in damage
which will not be covered by the warranty).
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:02 pm
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Hudson_P wrote:
> On 23 Nov 2008 11:44:14 GMT, Chris Malcolm wrote:
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>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>> Sony have done an atrocious job on their alpha manuals. Whether poor
>>> noun choice, bad grammar or ambiguities and incompleteness.
>> There seems to be an increasing tendency for manuals of complex
>> consumer products not to mention too many of the complexities in case
>> it reduces sales.
>>
>> I don't know if this applies to the manuals of other DSLR makers, but
>> I note that Sony's manuals give you the impression that the only
>> possible way to extend your camera's performance with add-ons is to
>> use the appropariate (and usually very expensive) Sony product,
>> whereas the engineers who designed the system have often left the door
>> open to more general use, if you can be bothered to do a bit of
>> rummaging and experimenting.
>
> Or ... perhaps the makers of Sony cameras expect a modicum of intelligence of
> their consumers? Maybe you have to go back to kindergarten before you should
> feel comfortable purchasing a more advanced camera.
The fact is that the Minolta manuals were well done and rarely had
errors or critical omissions. The Sony a900 manual (which you are free
to DL and check for yourself) is very poorly done.
I just looked at the Minolta Maxxum 7D manual v. the Sony a900 manual
and the a900 manual is a deep step down in detail, accuracy, quality and
ambiguity.
Yes, I'll find out when I get the camera what's really what. (And
others have answered other questions by e-mail or in other forums).
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