P&S vs DSLR - Does this argument make sense?

aniramca DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> I want to buy a DSLR because it is the only type of digital camera
> that has larger size sensor, not because I am looking for more
> flexibility of using (and spent more money on) different types and
> ranges of lenses. As long as it has a reasonable zoom lens, I am
> happy.

Sounds like you should consider something like a Canon 400D, or other
entry level DSLR, with a super zoom lens such as a Sigma 18-200mm OS or
a Tamron 18-250mm. The Sigma gives you optical lens stabilization to
match many P&S cameras. Another choice would be a Nikon DSLR with their
18-200mm VR lens. This type of DSLR/lens combination, IMO, beats any
P&S camera available in a variety of aspects.
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:05:32 -0700, aniramca.TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:

>I want to buy a DSLR because it is the only type of digital camera
>that has larger size sensor, not because I am looking for more
>flexibility of using (and spent more money on) different types and
>ranges of lenses. As long as it has a reasonable zoom lens, I am
>happy.
>Comments?


Unfortunately, yes, that's the way it is at the moment.

I went through the same gyrations shopping for my most
recent P&S. I was ready to spend serious cash, but
there really weren't any options. The few I found were
nearly as heavy (or heavier) than an SLR. (Eg.,
Lumix DLC-L1K @ $1499.)


rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
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<aniramca RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I want to buy a DSLR because it is the only type of digital camera
> that has larger size sensor, not because I am looking for more
> flexibility of using (and spent more money on) different types and
> ranges of lenses. As long as it has a reasonable zoom lens, I am
> happy.
> Comments?
>
Yes It can have a bigger sensor. But a High end lens attached can produce
some cracking A3 prints. So its only of benefit if you can see the
difference in the finished results
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"Raphael Bustin" <rafeb.TakeThisOut@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:05:32 -0700, aniramca.TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>I want to buy a DSLR because it is the only type of digital camera
>>that has larger size sensor, not because I am looking for more
>>flexibility of using (and spent more money on) different types and
>>ranges of lenses. As long as it has a reasonable zoom lens, I am
>>happy.
>>Comments?
>
>
> Unfortunately, yes, that's the way it is at the moment.
>
> I went through the same gyrations shopping for my most
> recent P&S. I was ready to spend serious cash, but
> there really weren't any options. The few I found were
> nearly as heavy (or heavier) than an SLR. (Eg.,
> Lumix DLC-L1K @ $1499.)
>

The L1 is a DSLR. The Sony R1 may be a good choice, a bit old now though.
 >> Stay informed about: P&S vs DSLR - Does this argument make sense? 

aniramca.DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
> I want to buy a DSLR because it is the only type of digital camera
> that has larger size sensor, not because I am looking for more
> flexibility of using (and spent more money on) different types and
> ranges of lenses. As long as it has a reasonable zoom lens, I am
> happy.
> Comments?

You don't /have/ to go DSLR:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscr1/

and perhaps one of two rangefinder cameras.

But the Sony may end up as big, heavy and expensive as more versatile DSLR
with a kit lens. Might work better in a dusty enviroment, though.

David
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Akiralx <alex1385.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> observed
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>"Raphael Bustin" <rafeb.DeleteThis@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:05:32 -0700, aniramca.DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>I want to buy a DSLR because it is the only type of digital camera
>>>that has larger size sensor, not because I am looking for more
>>>flexibility of using (and spent more money on) different types and
>>>ranges of lenses. As long as it has a reasonable zoom lens, I am
>>>happy.
>>>Comments?
>>
>> Unfortunately, yes, that's the way it is at the moment.
>>
>> I went through the same gyrations shopping for my most
>> recent P&S. I was ready to spend serious cash, but
>> there really weren't any options. The few I found were
>> nearly as heavy (or heavier) than an SLR. (Eg.,
>> Lumix DLC-L1K @ $1499.)
>
>The L1 is a DSLR. The Sony R1 may be a good choice, a bit old now though.

I was shopping for a *silent* multipurpose camera earlier this year and
looked at the Sony R1. Really interesting camera - at the original price
much too expensive, but it was available at around the £400 price when I
looked. (It's now back up in the £500+ range so the price I saw may be a
mistake). But the lens (especially 24mm eqiv) and sensor size made a
lot of sense, but the max aperture of f4.8 at 120mm worked against it
for my needs.

I eventually decided on the Panasonic FZ50 at £299, because I needed a
longer lens for nature and candid photography and use RAW to rescue the
image!

But as a long term M3 user, I really hate the sound an SLR makes - which
is the quietest SLR?

Mike

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:11:53 GMT, "David J Taylor"
<david-taylor DeleteThis @blueyonder.not-this-part.nor-this-bit.co.uk> wrote:

>aniramca@gmail.com wrote:
>> I want to buy a DSLR because it is the only type of digital camera
>> that has larger size sensor, not because I am looking for more
>> flexibility of using (and spent more money on) different types and
>> ranges of lenses. As long as it has a reasonable zoom lens, I am
>> happy.
>> Comments?
>
>You don't /have/ to go DSLR:
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscr1/
>
>and perhaps one of two rangefinder cameras.
>
>But the Sony may end up as big, heavy and expensive as more versatile DSLR
>with a kit lens. Might work better in a dusty enviroment, though.
>
>David


Pretty much. The Sony that's pictured in the link isn't
exactly sized for a shirt or jacket pocket.

It's not an unusual form factor nowadays, but it's not
exactly "compact."

I still don't see why a 15x23 mm sensor "requires" a
large, heavy camera body. Back in the day, there
were slim, lightweight "half-frame" 35 mm cameras.

You're talking about a "normal" lens of 28 mm, which
isn't that much of a challenge.


rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
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On Jul 26, 11:34 am, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veld... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> In rec.photo.digital anira... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> > I want to buy a DSLR because it is the only type of digital camera
> > that has larger size sensor, not because I am looking for more
> > flexibility of using (and spent more money on) different types and
> > ranges of lenses. As long as it has a reasonable zoom lens, I am
> > happy.
>
> Why do you want a bigger sensor? (playing Devil's advocate here)
>
> --
> Thomas T. Veldhouse
>
> We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
> machinations of the wicked.

It is a good question! Then, perhaps the same question may be asked
to those who bought medium format cameras, instead of using the
regular 35mm.

Perhaps in the digital age, you may have a point there. as an analog -
124MB SD card and 4GB SD card both have the same physical size, so we
do not need to make it bigger to fit in more data?. Does a larger
sensor means more space to store more pixels, and hence creating
better definition of an image? Perhaps we can hear from the technical
readers here.
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Raphael Bustin wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:11:53 GMT, "David J Taylor"
[]
>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscr1/
[]
> Pretty much. The Sony that's pictured in the link isn't
> exactly sized for a shirt or jacket pocket.
>
> It's not an unusual form factor nowadays, but it's not
> exactly "compact."
>
> I still don't see why a 15x23 mm sensor "requires" a
> large, heavy camera body. Back in the day, there
> were slim, lightweight "half-frame" 35 mm cameras.
>
> You're talking about a "normal" lens of 28 mm, which
> isn't that much of a challenge.
>
>
> rafe b


Rafe,

"People" expect a zoom lens with auto-focus these days! Batteries and
electronics may take up more space than a film canister. IIRC, Sigma
offer a non-zoom camera:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030807sigmadp1.asp

but I don't know if you can actually buy it, yet. And I wouldn't call it
compact, either!

David
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In article <g31qi.4613$By5.4234@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, David J
Taylor <david-taylor.RemoveThis@blueyonder.not-this-part.nor-this-bit.co.uk>
wrote:

> "People" expect a zoom lens with auto-focus these days! Batteries and
> electronics may take up more space than a film canister. IIRC, Sigma
> offer a non-zoom camera:
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030807sigmadp1.asp

actually, it has digital zoom, which if you believe the hype from the
sigma fans, is as good as optical zoom because of its amazing sensor.

not that it matters because...

> but I don't know if you can actually buy it, yet. And I wouldn't call it
> compact, either!

....you can't buy it at all - the camera is stillborn. b&h lists it as
discontinued and that's only via a direct link. search for it and
*nobody* lists it anymore.

<http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=WishList.jsp&A=detail
s&Q=&sku=472377&is=REG>
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In rec.photo.digital aniramca RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> I want to buy a DSLR because it is the only type of digital camera
> that has larger size sensor, not because I am looking for more
> flexibility of using (and spent more money on) different types and
> ranges of lenses. As long as it has a reasonable zoom lens, I am
> happy.

Why do you want a bigger sensor? (playing Devil's advocate here)

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.
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<aniramca.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 26, 11:34 am, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veld....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> In rec.photo.digital anira....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I want to buy a DSLR because it is the only type of digital camera
>> > that has larger size sensor, not because I am looking for more
>> > flexibility of using (and spent more money on) different types and
>> > ranges of lenses. As long as it has a reasonable zoom lens, I am
>> > happy.
>>
>> Why do you want a bigger sensor? (playing Devil's advocate here)
>>
>> --
>> Thomas T. Veldhouse
>>
>> We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
>> the
>> machinations of the wicked.
>
> It is a good question! Then, perhaps the same question may be asked
> to those who bought medium format cameras, instead of using the
> regular 35mm.
>
> Perhaps in the digital age, you may have a point there. as an analog -
> 124MB SD card and 4GB SD card both have the same physical size, so we
> do not need to make it bigger to fit in more data?. Does a larger
> sensor means more space to store more pixels, and hence creating
> better definition of an image? Perhaps we can hear from the technical
> readers here.
>
A larger sensor means Bigger Pixels or it could mean more smaller Pixels The
OP could get a Hasslblad or Mamiya 6 x 7 with a digital back or Sinar p.
What is not clear to the general user is that the physical size of the
sensor has a lot to do with the quality and not just the MP count. Of course
the dont brag about how tiny it is just how many pixels in the marketing
blurb.
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aniramca.DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 26, 11:34 am, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veld....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In rec.photo.digital anira....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I want to buy a DSLR because it is the only type of digital camera
>>> that has larger size sensor, not because I am looking for more
>>> flexibility of using (and spent more money on) different types and
>>> ranges of lenses. As long as it has a reasonable zoom lens, I am
>>> happy.
>>>
>> Why do you want a bigger sensor? (playing Devil's advocate here)
>>
>> --
>> Thomas T. Veldhouse
>>
>> We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
>> machinations of the wicked.
>>
>
> It is a good question! Then, perhaps the same question may be asked
> to those who bought medium format cameras, instead of using the
> regular 35mm.
>
> Perhaps in the digital age, you may have a point there. as an analog -
> 124MB SD card and 4GB SD card both have the same physical size, so we
> do not need to make it bigger to fit in more data?. Does a larger
> sensor means more space to store more pixels, and hence creating
> better definition of an image? Perhaps we can hear from the technical
> readers here.
>
>
I have a Canon S3 IS and a Pentax K100D - both 6mp cameras. Some time
ago I did some comparison shots (of the same subject). Very little to
choose at the same exposure when I printed A4, but when I printed the
same item at A3 - the K100D was visibly better.

Same number of pixels, but bigger on the K100D - sensor size does make a
difference.

Clive
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