Panasonic DMC-FZ30

David J Taylor wrote:
> l e o wrote:
> []
>
>>I found myself constantly need to set my 20D to ISO 400-800 to capture
>>running dogs and kids. Also, the speed of AF is very crucial. Well, it
>>all comes down to the types of photography you do. If your scene is
>>static, you would not have to worry about how slow your camera is.
>
>
> "You pays your money and takes your choice". If you want to make movies
> of those dogs and kids, you will need another camera. I used to think of
> movie mode as a gimmick, but short scenes with sound can be very effective
> in capturing atmosphere.
>
> David
>
>

Oh no, I am not talking about movie modes from a tiny camera. I am
talking about beautiful "big" still pictures capturing their movement!
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l e o wrote:
> David J Taylor wrote:
>> l e o wrote:
>> []
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>>> I found myself constantly need to set my 20D to ISO 400-800 to
>>> capture running dogs and kids. Also, the speed of AF is very
>>> crucial. Well, it all comes down to the types of photography you
>>> do. If your scene is static, you would not have to worry about how
>>> slow your camera is.
>>
>>
>> "You pays your money and takes your choice". If you want to make
>> movies of those dogs and kids, you will need another camera. I used
>> to think of movie mode as a gimmick, but short scenes with sound can
>> be very effective in capturing atmosphere.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>
> Oh no, I am not talking about movie modes from a tiny camera. I am
> talking about beautiful "big" still pictures capturing their movement!

I know you weren't talking about movie modes. I was suggesting you try
them and see how a small movie can help capture the moment in a different
way from a big still picture. They're complementary - not mutually
exclusive.

David
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David J Taylor wrote:
> l e o wrote:
>
>>David J Taylor wrote:
>>
>>>l e o wrote:
>>>[]
>>>
>>>
>>>>I found myself constantly need to set my 20D to ISO 400-800 to
>>>>capture running dogs and kids. Also, the speed of AF is very
>>>>crucial. Well, it all comes down to the types of photography you
>>>>do. If your scene is static, you would not have to worry about how
>>>>slow your camera is.
>>>
>>>
>>>"You pays your money and takes your choice". If you want to make
>>>movies of those dogs and kids, you will need another camera. I used
>>>to think of movie mode as a gimmick, but short scenes with sound can
>>>be very effective in capturing atmosphere.
>>>
>>>David
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Oh no, I am not talking about movie modes from a tiny camera. I am
>>talking about beautiful "big" still pictures capturing their movement!
>
>
> I know you weren't talking about movie modes. I was suggesting you try
> them and see how a small movie can help capture the moment in a different
> way from a big still picture. They're complementary - not mutually
> exclusive.
>
> David


Yes, I have a DV camcorder to do the job right and I make edit the
footage and put on DVDs. I wish I have money to upgrade to HDV. I
suggest, by that time, HD-DVD will be available.
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l e o wrote:
> David J Taylor wrote:
>
>> l e o wrote:
>>
>>> David J Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>> l e o wrote:
>>>> []
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I found myself constantly need to set my 20D to ISO 400-800 to
>>>>> capture running dogs and kids. Also, the speed of AF is very
>>>>> crucial. Well, it all comes down to the types of photography you
>>>>> do. If your scene is static, you would not have to worry about how
>>>>> slow your camera is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "You pays your money and takes your choice". If you want to make
>>>> movies of those dogs and kids, you will need another camera. I used
>>>> to think of movie mode as a gimmick, but short scenes with sound can
>>>> be very effective in capturing atmosphere.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh no, I am not talking about movie modes from a tiny camera. I am
>>> talking about beautiful "big" still pictures capturing their movement!
>>
>>
>>
>> I know you weren't talking about movie modes. I was suggesting you
>> try them and see how a small movie can help capture the moment in a
>> different way from a big still picture. They're complementary - not
>> mutually exclusive.
>>
>> David
>
>
>
> Yes, I have a DV camcorder to do the job right and I make edit the
> footage and put on DVDs. I wish I have money to upgrade to HDV. I
> suggest, by that time, HD-DVD will be available.


And one more thing, a still picture can capture crisp action without
motion blur that you get from a still camera movie mode or camcorder.
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l e o wrote:
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> Yes, I have a DV camcorder to do the job right and I make edit the
> footage and put on DVDs. I wish I have money to upgrade to HDV. I
> suggest, by that time, HD-DVD will be available.

I hadn't appreciated that, Leo! The best of both worlds.

David
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> I don't have a DSLR, so I don't expect to magically be able to shoot
> above ISO 100. I carry a tripod for my current non-stabilized Oly
> C-700, and my next camera will probably have a stabilized long zoom
> and not be usable above ISO 100. The FZ30, considered as a package,
> is tremendously appealing. I don't really want to go back to messing
> with multiple lenses and I want a long zoom range, so I'm stuck with
> the limitations of small-sensor cameras.


Why should we be stuck with the limitations of a small sensor! Sony have a
large sensor in their R1.

I have an Oly C750. It is still a good camera. I won't upgrade until I can
get something like a Canon S2 or FZ20 with a large sensor. I would like to
see negligible noise at ISO 400 and useable at ISO 800.

Malcolm
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Malcolm wrote:
>>I don't have a DSLR, so I don't expect to magically be able to shoot
>>above ISO 100. I carry a tripod for my current non-stabilized Oly
>>C-700, and my next camera will probably have a stabilized long zoom
>>and not be usable above ISO 100. The FZ30, considered as a package,
>>is tremendously appealing. I don't really want to go back to messing
>>with multiple lenses and I want a long zoom range, so I'm stuck with
>>the limitations of small-sensor cameras.

> Why should we be stuck with the limitations of a small sensor! Sony have a
> large sensor in their R1.

I currently have a 10x zoom. The R1 does have a nice large sensor, but
it only has a 5x zoom and stops way down to F4.8 at the long end. If
one wants the long zoom, the R1 is not a choice.

> I have an Oly C750. It is still a good camera. I won't upgrade until I can
> get something like a Canon S2 or FZ20 with a large sensor. I would like to
> see negligible noise at ISO 400 and useable at ISO 800.

You'll never see a lens with range equivalent to the S2 or the FZ20 on a
camera with an APS-size sensor. It would have to be either physically
huge or so slow as to be unusable. The only hope you have is in some
sort of physics-defying magic in a small sensor. Or, replicate the long
zoom range with a DSLR and a bag of heavy lenses.

Paul Allen
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Paul Allen" <"paul dot l dot allen at comcast dot net wrote:
> Malcolm wrote:
[]
>> I have an Oly C750. It is still a good camera. I won't upgrade until
>> I can get something like a Canon S2 or FZ20 with a large sensor. I
>> would like to see negligible noise at ISO 400 and useable at ISO 800.
>
> You'll never see a lens with range equivalent to the S2 or the FZ20
> on a camera with an APS-size sensor. It would have to be either
> physically huge or so slow as to be unusable. The only hope you have
> is in some sort of physics-defying magic in a small sensor. Or,
> replicate the long zoom range with a DSLR and a bag of heavy lenses.

Absolutely! We're near a sweet spot right now for compact long-zoom
cameras. Going to a larger sensor may reduce noise, but does nothing for
size or weight.

Just perhaps a slightly larger sensor (perhaps 8.8 x 6.6mm or 12.8 x
9.6mm), keeping the megapixels down to 5 or 6 (to maximise physical pixel
size), and some of the Fuji magic would give us some worthwhile
improvement without compromising size too much.

David
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I just got a FZ30 and sold my C750. There is no comparison. The FZ30 has
so much better resolution and lower noise at high ISO (200-400).
Throw in the stabilizer, higher resolution viewfinder and LCD screen and the
mechanical zoom control, and it is a huge step up in picture quality and
ergonomics.

I agree, the only feature you give up, is not being able to stick it in your
coat pocket.
Ed

"Malcolm" <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > I don't have a DSLR, so I don't expect to magically be able to shoot
> > above ISO 100. I carry a tripod for my current non-stabilized Oly
> > C-700, and my next camera will probably have a stabilized long zoom
> > and not be usable above ISO 100. The FZ30, considered as a package,
> > is tremendously appealing. I don't really want to go back to messing
> > with multiple lenses and I want a long zoom range, so I'm stuck with
> > the limitations of small-sensor cameras.
>
>
> Why should we be stuck with the limitations of a small sensor! Sony have a
> large sensor in their R1.
>
> I have an Oly C750. It is still a good camera. I won't upgrade until I can
> get something like a Canon S2 or FZ20 with a large sensor. I would like to
> see negligible noise at ISO 400 and useable at ISO 800.
>
> Malcolm
>
>
>
>
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One more thing. The Chromatic Aberration on the FZ is far better than the
C750 at high zoom.
ed


"Paul Allen" <"paul dot l dot allen at comcast dot net"> wrote in message
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> Malcolm wrote:
> >>I don't have a DSLR, so I don't expect to magically be able to shoot
> >>above ISO 100. I carry a tripod for my current non-stabilized Oly
> >>C-700, and my next camera will probably have a stabilized long zoom
> >>and not be usable above ISO 100. The FZ30, considered as a package,
> >>is tremendously appealing. I don't really want to go back to messing
> >>with multiple lenses and I want a long zoom range, so I'm stuck with
> >>the limitations of small-sensor cameras.
>
> > Why should we be stuck with the limitations of a small sensor! Sony have
a
> > large sensor in their R1.
>
> I currently have a 10x zoom. The R1 does have a nice large sensor, but
> it only has a 5x zoom and stops way down to F4.8 at the long end. If
> one wants the long zoom, the R1 is not a choice.
>
> > I have an Oly C750. It is still a good camera. I won't upgrade until I
can
> > get something like a Canon S2 or FZ20 with a large sensor. I would like
to
> > see negligible noise at ISO 400 and useable at ISO 800.
>
> You'll never see a lens with range equivalent to the S2 or the FZ20 on a
> camera with an APS-size sensor. It would have to be either physically
> huge or so slow as to be unusable. The only hope you have is in some
> sort of physics-defying magic in a small sensor. Or, replicate the long
> zoom range with a DSLR and a bag of heavy lenses.
>
> Paul Allen
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:26:46 -0700, Paul Allen <"paul dot l dot
allen at comcast dot net"> wrote:

>You'll never see a lens with range equivalent to the S2 or the FZ20 on a
>camera with an APS-size sensor. It would have to be either physically
>huge or so slow as to be unusable. The only hope you have is in some
>sort of physics-defying magic in a small sensor. Or, replicate the long
>zoom range with a DSLR and a bag of heavy lenses.

Paul,

well, they could simply do it and counter the vignetting by
recalculating the corner areas later. Always wondered why
they're not doing that now.

You'd have more noise in the corners, but who cares? Apply some
anti-noise algorithm as well, so you lose some sharpness in the
corners.

Hans-Georg

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