Nikon D70 - Upgrading from the 18-70 Lens?

Roy G wrote:
> "Fred Finisterre" <finisterre RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> I'd like something with some decent zoom. Is there such a thing as an
>> all-in-one lens that will do say 18-200?
>>
>> And what do I need to look for to make sure any lens I buy will be as
>> future proof as possible? (i.e. fit as many possible different future
>> D-SLR cams)?
>>
> This is a joke posting, isn't it ??

I find the 18-70 to be a bit sharper than the 18-200, now that I have both.
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"Roy G" <roy.gibson1 RemoveThis @REMOVE.tesco.net> wrote in message
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>>
> This is a joke posting, isn't it ??
>

No. It's a question by a novice asking if there are any decent lenses that
cover a wider range.

Thanks,

Fred.
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:13:24 -0000, "Fred Finisterre"
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>"Roy G" <roy.gibson1 DeleteThis @REMOVE.tesco.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>> This is a joke posting, isn't it ??
>>
>
>No. It's a question by a novice asking if there are any decent lenses that
>cover a wider range.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Fred.
>
A "novice" who owns a D70 and has no idea if there is an 18-200mm
lens? And is savvy enough to use Usenet?
A "novice" posting with a Gmail email address, but isn't aware of
Google? Or didn't read the promotional papers in the D70 box? Or isn't
smart enough to even check Nikon's site?
Well, I suppose it is possible, but if so, I hope the OP doesn't want
children.
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"Fred Finisterre" <finisterre.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Roy G" <roy.gibson1.DeleteThis@REMOVE.tesco.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>> This is a joke posting, isn't it ??
>>
>
> No. It's a question by a novice asking if there are any decent lenses that
> cover a wider range.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred.
>
Hi to Rip van Winkle

You only need to read a little bit further back in this group to find
threads about the Nikon VR 18 - 200 lens.

Or go to any Dealer or Review site to discover that this recent lens has
been the subject of considerable discussion.

It does seem a little strange that you should pick the exact focal lengths
of this much talked about lens.

Roy G
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In article <oe5oo2hsec9ds3356qo5sf26e387o5go8u DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
BigBill DeleteThis @there.com says...

> A "novice" who owns a D70 and has no idea if there is an 18-200mm
> lens? And is savvy enough to use Usenet?
> A "novice" posting with a Gmail email address, but isn't aware of
> Google? Or didn't read the promotional papers in the D70 box? Or isn't
> smart enough to even check Nikon's site?
> Well, I suppose it is possible, but if so, I hope the OP doesn't want
> children.
>
Yea, how DO they happen ?

T.
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In article <LpudnW7Gwuq_FhbYnZ2dnUVZ8qq3nZ2d.TakeThisOut@giganews.com>,
finisterre.TakeThisOut@gmail.com says...
>
>
>I'd like something with some decent zoom. Is there such a thing as an
>all-in-one lens that will do say 18-200?
>
>And what do I need to look for to make sure any lens I buy will be as future
>proof as possible? (i.e. fit as many possible different future D-SLR cams)?


Fred, the Nikon 18-200mm VR lens is already a classic - however it is still
hard to find it in stock, at least for the $750 price. The 18-70 mm lens may
be slightly sharper, but the VR feature (image stabilization) is a huge factor
offsetting that. With VR, you can (usually) shoot at 200 mm and 1/15 second
handheld with decent results (not entirely failsafe - take a couple of shots).
One downside is that it is mostly a f/5.6 lens, so this 1/15 second
opportunity comes up more often.

It is hard to say how future-proof any of the DX lenses are (DX are the
lenses for "digital" only, like the 18-70 or 18-200). If and when the cameras
start having full frame sensors, then the DX lenses will be obsolete and
unusable.
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In article <i8Wih.27$6_.19@trnddc07>, Wayne <nospam.DeleteThis@invalid.com> wrote:

> If and when the cameras
> start having full frame sensors, then the DX lenses will be obsolete and
> unusable.

Why?

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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:05:30 -0800, Ockham's Razor wrote:

> In article <i8Wih.27$6_.19@trnddc07>, Wayne <nospam RemoveThis @invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> If and when the cameras
>> start having full frame sensors, then the DX lenses will be obsolete and
>> unusable.
>
> Why?

Because the manufacturer designed them to not work on full frame cameras?

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On 22 Dec 2006 21:00:29 GMT, "J. Clarke" <Jclarke.usenet.DeleteThis@cox.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:05:30 -0800, Ockham's Razor wrote:
>
>> In article <i8Wih.27$6_.19@trnddc07>, Wayne <nospam.DeleteThis@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If and when the cameras
>>> start having full frame sensors, then the DX lenses will be obsolete and
>>> unusable.
>>
>> Why?
>
>Because the manufacturer designed them to not work on full frame cameras?

But they will still work as intended, on the cameras they are designed
for.
Two points:
Full Frame DSLRs aren't going to drive APS sensor DSLRs off the market
anytime soon.
If/when they do, APS sensor cameras won't suddenly stop functioning.

Obsloete, possibly, *if/when* that happens.
Unusable? Not until the APS sensor cameras stop working.
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"Wayne" <nospam.TakeThisOut@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> finisterre.TakeThisOut@gmail.com says...
>>
>>
>>I'd like something with some decent zoom. Is there such a thing as an
>>all-in-one lens that will do say 18-200?
>>
>>And what do I need to look for to make sure any lens I buy will be as
>>future
>>proof as possible? (i.e. fit as many possible different future D-SLR
>>cams)?
>
>
> Fred, the Nikon 18-200mm VR lens is already a classic - however it is
> still
> hard to find it in stock, at least for the $750 price. The 18-70 mm lens
> may
> be slightly sharper, but the VR feature (image stabilization) is a huge
> factor
> offsetting that. With VR, you can (usually) shoot at 200 mm and 1/15
> second
> handheld with decent results (not entirely failsafe - take a couple of
> shots).
> One downside is that it is mostly a f/5.6 lens, so this 1/15 second
> opportunity comes up more often.
>
> It is hard to say how future-proof any of the DX lenses are (DX are the
> lenses for "digital" only, like the 18-70 or 18-200). If and when the
> cameras
> start having full frame sensors, then the DX lenses will be obsolete and
> unusable.

I hardly think so. The vast majority of digital photographers will still be
quite content with the so-called APS-size sensor, which will always have
some advantages over full frame anyway. In fact, the vast majority of
digital camera users are perfectly content with sensors far smaller than
that, in their compacts and ultracompacts.

All these people thinking some day they'll need to move up to full frame --
reminds me of all those people 50 years ago who insisted 35mm was too small
for serious photography and you really had to have medium format or 4x5 to
make sharp pictures.

Neil
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In article <9vmoo2pldspb3ssbl033he25dr3on9t8v5.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, BigBill.RemoveThis@there.com
says...

>But they will still work as intended, on the cameras they are designed
>for.
>Two points:
>Full Frame DSLRs aren't going to drive APS sensor DSLRs off the market
>anytime soon.
>If/when they do, APS sensor cameras won't suddenly stop functioning.


Yes, true, sticking with outdated techology has fewer concerns about
the "future-proofing" question.


>Obsloete, possibly, *if/when* that happens.
>Unusable? Not until the APS sensor cameras stop working.


Unusable: trying to use your DX lenses on your new full frame body.

When/if full frame sensors are affordable, we WILL have it. Grandma may not
as soon, but a DSLR fan will. If future-proofing the purchase is the
question, this is a primary concern.

My own attitude is to not be so concerned with future-proofing. Times
change. If into the hobby, bite the bullet, buy the good new stuff.
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"Wayne" <nospam.TakeThisOut@invalid.com> wrote in message
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[ . . . ]
>
> Unusable: trying to use your DX lenses on your new full frame body.

I don't want a "new full frame body."

>
> When/if full frame sensors are affordable, we WILL have it.

Not me.


> Grandma may not
> as soon, but a DSLR fan will.

Not *this* dSLR fan.


> If future-proofing the purchase is the
> question, this is a primary concern.

For the miniscule percentage of dSLR users who are waiting breathlessly for
the supposedly wonderful benefit of full frame, that's probably true. For
most of us it's of no concern whatever, let alone primary (or prime, as we
say).

Neil
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