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Douglas

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(Msg. 91) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:22 am
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"PixelPix" <mail.DeleteThis@pixelpix.com.au> wrote in message
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On Dec 14, 8:49 am, Rita Ä Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote:
> PixelPix wrote:
> > This is the problem, #1 and #2 idiot always assume that anyone
> > shooting RAW is being slack and not bothering to get it right in
> > camera.... the FACT that getting it right is totally independent of
> > shooting format simply continues to elude them.
>
> Sadly if you find yourself dicking around in post to "get better images"
> you
> are *NOT* getting it right in-camera. You can make all the excuses you
> want. If you can't produce a decent JPG no amount of posturing and
> pissing
> around in PS is going to make you a photographer.
>
> Rita

English is not your first language is? It can't be, because you seem
to have no understanding of the things that get written and go off on
your own blind rant about getting it right in camera.

I will type this slow so that you can read it....

G e t t i n g i t r i g h t i n c a m e r a i s t o t a l l y i
n d e p e n d e n t o f s h o o t i n g f o r m a t .

I was say it again so that it has a chance of sinking in.....

G e t t i n g i t r i g h t i n c a m e r a i s t o t a l l y i
n d e p e n d e n t o f s h o o t i n g f o r m a t .

and just one more time for the sledge hammer effect.....

G e t t i n g i t r i g h t i n c a m e r a i s t o t a l l y i
n d e p e n d e n t o f s h o o t i n g f o r m a t .

Now record that to your iPod and play it over and over as you
sleep.... who knows, by morning the penny may just drop.
-----------------

Tell me again Russell... How BIG did you said it was? Then tell us how big
it really is, eh?
Measure it after you take off the brick you keep tied to it, won't you? You
do enough wanking it's a wonder it hasn't fallen off yet.

In the words of the founder of "Silver Rose" -- one of (if not the biggest)
school photo shooters in Brisbane and former owner of Fstop labs... Pioneers
of wide format (true photo) printing in Australia...

"I'm not here to mess with a photo or two until it's perfect, I'm here to
shoot a few thousand pictures a day and make some money from it".

The separation of Professional and wannabe is when the click count goes past
4 figures a day and you keep at it until the last customers are done and
even then ...you're prepared to unpack your gear at 8:30 PM after a 12 hour
day without a break for one more shot.

When a jackass like you starts trying to tell me you can do this sort of
work 7 days a week for 6 weeks straight ...shooting RAW, and still make a
living. It makes me wonder where you get your idea of "Professional" from
and what you actually do for a living because the more you say, the less it
adds up.

Come see me in March when we have our Gold Coast Wedding Expo and learn how
a working tradesman photographer (as opposed to the limp wristed jerks
calling themselves Professionals) actually makes a living. If I don't get it
right in the camera - and I've done this since 1968, I starve. I haven't
ever been short of tucker.

Like I said before, it's OK to disagree with me but it's not OK to behave
like a spoilt brat because the magazine acquired methods you hold up as
gospel don't cut it with me in my business. Take a pill mate before you get
elevated to #2 troll. And you really don't want that, do you?

Douglas

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(Msg. 92) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:37 am
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On Dec 14, 12:18 pm, "Rita Ä Berkowitz" <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote:
> Me bitter? Naw! I'm having too much fun making you dance.

Looks like you're the one hoppin to my music.



> D-Mac can produce spectacular images using JPG and get paid for his efforts.

ROFL! Where? When? Got a link?

D-Mac has produced the same number of spectacular images as you have.
None. Zip. Zilch. Zippo. Nada.

Idiot troll.

BTW, I am glad that others here are finally realizing just what you
are.

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(Msg. 93) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:47 pm
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On Dec 14, 10:22 am, "Douglas" <j....DeleteThis@the.group> wrote:
> Come see me in March when we have our Gold Coast Wedding Expo

Given that the only 'expo's of his that have ever been seen by anyone
are:
- a lame stand at the Cleveland markets (now gone)
- an (awfully printed) exhibition of prison prints at a tiny suburban
Museum

... I wonder if Doug will supply some details of this expo to prove it
isn't another fantasy - I'm sure plenty of us would like to attend.

While he's at it, where is his business located again?
(For any newbies to the thread, Douglas' gets very coy about where his
'chains of stores' are located - go check his website..) But Rita
believes him, so there's your proof.... (cough)

He also claims to have a team of photographers (who he has *endless*
problems with, poor soul - I wonder why?), and yet they are very hard
to locate. He also changes his business names regularly. And his own
name for that matter, along with his now legendary >100 sockpuppet
names. Those names were often used to use to promote those
'businesses' - but he doesn't seem to do that now, as he gets spotted
within seconds.


Draw your own conclusions.
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Douglas

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(Msg. 94) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:48 pm
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"Tully" <tully.albrecht.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> How often do you plug your camera into a printer w/o ANy post at all?
> Even then, there's always a chance a "snapshot" may be good enough to
> warrant further use in a publication or larger format.
>

Wellll. This time of year I often exhaust my suppliers stock of dye sub
media. I right now have 5 cameras hooked to 5 Dye Sub printers. They print
directly to the printer. The lighting is sodium (main hall) Fluorescent
(nearby lights) and daylight (from the dome above) plus a small (GN 35)
camera mounted speedlite.

It's 12:30 PM (GMT + 10 hours) and I've just finished the mid day rounds.
Pretty slow day today for some reason. Only 848 shots in total. Not a single
one of them in RAW and all but 29 are paying shots. Don't ask my what
happened to the 29, maybe someone will come for them before the day is over.

When I did it with Polaroids, the cost was 3 times what it is with Panasonic
FZ50s and dye sub printers and the failure rate was 1 in 10. I don't have a
failure rate now.

Douglas
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(Msg. 95) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:48 pm
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In article <fjsqqk$82c$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"Douglas" <just RemoveThis @the.group> wrote:

> "Tully" <tully.albrecht RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote in message
> news:tully.albrecht-F381C8.18035913122007@news.phx.highwinds-media.com...
> >
> > How often do you plug your camera into a printer w/o ANy post at all?
> > Even then, there's always a chance a "snapshot" may be good enough to
> > warrant further use in a publication or larger format.
> >
>
> Wellll. This time of year I often exhaust my suppliers stock of dye sub
> media. I right now have 5 cameras hooked to 5 Dye Sub printers. They print
> directly to the printer. The lighting is sodium (main hall) Fluorescent
> (nearby lights) and daylight (from the dome above) plus a small (GN 35)
> camera mounted speedlite.
>
> It's 12:30 PM (GMT + 10 hours) and I've just finished the mid day rounds.
> Pretty slow day today for some reason. Only 848 shots in total. Not a single
> one of them in RAW and all but 29 are paying shots. Don't ask my what
> happened to the 29, maybe someone will come for them before the day is over.
>
> When I did it with Polaroids, the cost was 3 times what it is with Panasonic
> FZ50s and dye sub printers and the failure rate was 1 in 10. I don't have a
> failure rate now.
>
> Douglas

There are "photographers" snapping ID badge or driver's license photos,
whose major creative decision is how long to let the laminator warm up.
For those folks shooting RAW would make no sense. Why are you responding
to my remarks about general photography with this kiosk stuff?

It wouldn't be pertinent to a discussion about calligraphy pens if
someone wrote "I have some wonderful drawings on my refrigerator door
PROVING that crayolas are better!"
--
"It is the individual alone who is timeless. The individual's
hungers, anxieties, dreams, and preoccupations have remained
unchanged throughout the millennia." Eric Hoffer (1902-1983)
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(Msg. 96) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:04 pm
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"Muxton" <jake.RemoveThis@jake.org.mungbeans.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:05:14 -0500, Rita Ä Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04
> @aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Tully, to put things in perspective, I have nothing against photographers
>>using PS. I do have a problem with people claiming to be photographers
>>passing off Photoshopped animations as photographs. I don't believe there
>>is anything left of an image when 90% of the image is a PS creation.>
>>Rita
>
> That opens a whole new debate: record shots vs. creative manipulation.
>
> It's a debate that will undoubtedly rage forever Wink
> --


I think it's been going on since version 1.0 of Photoshop. I can remember
using a video camera with a home made film adaptor to fine tune colour when
enlarging film. Before ever Photoshop was around. People told me then I was
nutty as... Yet they came to me for their Cibachrome contrast masks and
prints.

Maybe I am/was/is nutty but I believe that without thinking outside the
square, you can't ever originate anything. A year after I began using my
"video colour correction" method. Lo and behold, a commercial version came
on the market.

Here is my statements:
There is nothing wrong with shooting RAW. I frequently do it.
There is nothing wrong with shooting JPEG. I frequently do it.
There is nothing wrong with using Photoshop to create what the graffiti
artists call a "Piece".
There is nothing wrong with using whatever means is available to create a
valuable piece.

There is heaps wrong with trying the bludgeon someone into believing any one
process is "better" than the other because all processes have a use for a
given purpose. Just like Photoshop is absolutely lousy at blending two
images together and Corel Photopaint is amazingly good at that process, no
one application will suite every purpose.

OK ... Interval over. The fights can continue.

Douglas
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(Msg. 97) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:04 pm
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"PixelPix" <mail RemoveThis @pixelpix.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> Instead of shooting the messenger because you don't like the news, Get off
> your arse and do some research yourself. As I recall you're the one who
> loves playing with dolls. Get into it. chasing me around is only going to
> pump your BP up beyond what those hardened arteries can handle mate. Pfft!
> All gone if you're not careful!
>
> Douglas


OK... I admit it.

I was wrong earlier.

"Need a bigger sledge hammer" Pffft! What was I thinking?

There is no way that anyone makes a sledgehammer big enough to help
you guys comprehend this thread. LOL !!

Wrong about what?
All thats gone on here is you have an opinion and I have an opinion that is
different to yours. Normal people (if any actually read these groups) can
form their own opinion. I whold hope they'd try a few things before settling
on (perhaps) a compromise between rabid RAW shooting and an open mind about
what suits their purpose instead of taking a ridiculious stand (like you
have) and state that RAW is the only way to go... It isn't. Moreover, for
most people it is NOT the best method of capture to use.

Douglas
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(Msg. 98) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:04 pm
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In article <fjsrp3$c4m$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"Douglas" <just.DeleteThis@the.group> wrote:

> "Muxton" <jake.DeleteThis@jake.org.mungbeans.uk> wrote in message
> news:qio3m3dmqr8jhb1jaaauu0pvsi2hespre1@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:05:14 -0500, Rita Ä Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04
> > @aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Tully, to put things in perspective, I have nothing against photographers
> >>using PS. I do have a problem with people claiming to be photographers
> >>passing off Photoshopped animations as photographs. I don't believe there
> >>is anything left of an image when 90% of the image is a PS creation.>
> >>Rita
> >
> > That opens a whole new debate: record shots vs. creative manipulation.
> >
> > It's a debate that will undoubtedly rage forever Wink
> > --
>
>
> I think it's been going on since version 1.0 of Photoshop. I can remember
> using a video camera with a home made film adaptor to fine tune colour when
> enlarging film. Before ever Photoshop was around. People told me then I was
> nutty as... Yet they came to me for their Cibachrome contrast masks and
> prints.
>
> Maybe I am/was/is nutty but I believe that without thinking outside the
> square, you can't ever originate anything. A year after I began using my
> "video colour correction" method. Lo and behold, a commercial version came
> on the market.
>
> Here is my statements:
> There is nothing wrong with shooting RAW. I frequently do it.
> There is nothing wrong with shooting JPEG. I frequently do it.
> There is nothing wrong with using Photoshop to create what the graffiti
> artists call a "Piece".
> There is nothing wrong with using whatever means is available to create a
> valuable piece.
>
> There is heaps wrong with trying the bludgeon someone into believing any one
> process is "better" than the other because all processes have a use for a
> given purpose. Just like Photoshop is absolutely lousy at blending two
> images together and Corel Photopaint is amazingly good at that process, no
> one application will suite every purpose.
>
> OK ... Interval over. The fights can continue.
>
> Douglas

I think you like the combat. Otherwise you wouldn't claim to be put out
by someone who wants to foist his favorite on you, followed by a
commercial for your own preference. Corel vs. Adobe is as pointless a
squabble as Nikon vs. Canon or Mac vs. PC.
--
"It is the individual alone who is timeless. The individual's
hungers, anxieties, dreams, and preoccupations have remained
unchanged throughout the millennia." Eric Hoffer (1902-1983)
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(Msg. 99) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:04 pm
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In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Douglas <just.RemoveThis@the.group> wrote:

> Shooting in Hi quality Jpeg is more likely to render faithful colours Sounds
> clear enough to me. Carries with it the presumption you get it right in the
> camera first -- like giving up on auto WB and instead using custom white
> balance with a diffuser over the lens.

This week's homework exercise is in one sentence to describe the
common situation in which that will give you the wrong white balance
Smile

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(Msg. 100) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:04 pm
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Chris Malcolm wrote:
> In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Douglas <just DeleteThis @the.group> wrote:
>
>> Shooting in Hi quality Jpeg is more likely to render faithful colours Sounds
>> clear enough to me. Carries with it the presumption you get it right in the
>> camera first -- like giving up on auto WB and instead using custom white
>> balance with a diffuser over the lens.
>
> This week's homework exercise is in one sentence to describe the
> common situation in which that will give you the wrong white balance
> Smile
>
Hmmmm. Church with tungsten lights and beams of sun shining in here and
there, and a few candles thrown in??

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(Msg. 101) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:15 pm
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John McWilliams wrote:
> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Douglas <just.RemoveThis@the.group> wrote:
>>
>>> Shooting in Hi quality Jpeg is more likely to render faithful colours
>>> Sounds clear enough to me. Carries with it the presumption you get it
>>> right in the camera first -- like giving up on auto WB and instead
>>> using custom white balance with a diffuser over the lens.
>>
>> This week's homework exercise is in one sentence to describe the
>> common situation in which that will give you the wrong white balance
>> Smile
>>
> Hmmmm. Church with tungsten lights and beams of sun shining in here and
> there, and a few candles thrown in??

The correct white balance for this scene is black-and-white.
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(Msg. 102) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:15 pm
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Cynicor wrote:
> John McWilliams wrote:
>> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>>> In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Douglas <just.RemoveThis@the.group> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Shooting in Hi quality Jpeg is more likely to render faithful
>>>> colours Sounds clear enough to me. Carries with it the presumption
>>>> you get it right in the camera first -- like giving up on auto WB
>>>> and instead using custom white balance with a diffuser over the lens.
>>>
>>> This week's homework exercise is in one sentence to describe the
>>> common situation in which that will give you the wrong white balance
>>> Smile
>>>
>> Hmmmm. Church with tungsten lights and beams of sun shining in here
>> and there, and a few candles thrown in??
>
> The correct white balance for this scene is black-and-white.

Brilliant!

What ISO??

Smile

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(Msg. 103) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:27 pm
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On Dec 14, 11:41 am, "David J Taylor" <david-tay....DeleteThis@blueyonder.not-
this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk> wrote:
> Annika1980 wrote:
>
> []
>
> > You misunderstood the question. The question was how I can set up my
> > camera for shooting JPGs to that I can "get it right in the camera"
> > without having to do any post-processing. The answer is that I
> > cannot. CA is just one of the problems JPG shooters have to live with
> > and it is very apparent in many of their pics, especially those taken
> > with point-and-shoots.
>
> Eh? Many programs, including Paint Shop Pro, can fix so-called CA in JPEG
> images.
>
> Cheers,
> David

What part of "without having to do any post-processing" don't you
understand?
If you are going to do post-processing you should be shooting RAW.
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(Msg. 104) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:48 pm
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On Dec 15, 8:22 am, "Douglas" <j....DeleteThis@the.group> wrote:
> Sensor pixel flooding is often mistaken for chromatic aberrations.
Because it is often mixed in with CA, it is hardly surprising, and
largely irrelevant to the process of fixing it.

> The best lenses in the world are
> not going to change this and neither is shooting in a different mode.
If it was entirely 'flooding' (or blooming as it is more commonly
called) that would be true. CA is strictly a lens problem - doesn't
Douglas know that?

> The simplest way to fix it is to use something like "flo's tools" to shift
> the chroma.
When Douglas puts quotes around something, you can guarantee he gets
it wrong, and of course he never gives details, like a link or cost..
It's "Flo's Undistort", costs $15 for the version that works on images
over 800x600, and may be found here:
http://flofilters.free.fr/

What is conveniently unmentioned in all this is that if you have CA
you can't just 'fix' it - there is an inevitable loss of quality. But
some folks standards are so low that it doesn't matter, of course.

> The easiest way to "get it right in camera" is to not compose the shot with
> that much dynamic range
In other words, Douglas recommends that if the shot is hard to
capture, don't take it. Mmm. He's a tryer, is our Doug, always
seeking to better himself, always learning...

> or... Use a ND filter to lower the dynamic range
An ND filter does not reduce dynamic range. A *GRADUATED* ND does. A
polariser may also be used to help if not shooting into or directly
away from the sun/light source. Doug ALSO forgot that you can shoot
RAW to improve dynamic range capture, and you can bracket multiple
images. Rather obvious - and telling - omissions.

> Don't shoot those scenes with the composure
COMPOSITION, moron. COMPOSITION. C O M P O S I T I O N How many
times does he have to be told? You can tell when someone uses such an
incorrect term, they don't hang around photographers...

> an experienced photographer should know..
Well, that's Doug excluded.

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(Msg. 105) Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:08 pm
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:04:26 +1000, "Douglas" <just DeleteThis @the.group> wrote:
>>
>> That opens a whole new debate: record shots vs. creative manipulation.
>>
>> It's a debate that will undoubtedly rage forever Wink
>> --
>
>
>I think it's been going on since version 1.0 of Photoshop.

I think I meant new debate in this thread Smile Or blazing row, not sure
which...
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