Nikon Coolscan V ED and Black&White negatives

David J. Littleboy wrote:
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> > Any other suggestion regarding black and white scanning?
>
> Another thing to try is to scan it as a positive (as though it were a slide)
> and then inverting in Photoshop.

Thanks, the problem with scanning it as a positive is that the scanner
doesn't seem to recognize correctly where the negative starts on the
strip of film and scans half of one and half of the one next to it.
Never had this problem with this scanner when scanning them as
negatives.
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"Hoshisato" <hoshisato.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> David J. Littleboy wrote:
>>
>> Another thing to try is to scan it as a positive (as though it were a
>> slide)
>> and then inverting in Photoshop.
>
> Thanks, the problem with scanning it as a positive is that the scanner
> doesn't seem to recognize correctly where the negative starts on the
> strip of film and scans half of one and half of the one next to it.
> Never had this problem with this scanner when scanning them as
> negatives.

Right. It confuses the automagic cropping. On the 8000, I usually can
manually reset the crop, although it's a pain.

Some people like Vuescan, which tends to give more manual control. I used it
years ago, but found NikonScan easier with the 8000.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
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<davidjl DeleteThis @gol.com> wrote in message news:
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>> Thanks, the problem with scanning it as a positive is that the scanner
>> doesn't seem to recognize correctly where the negative starts on the
>> strip of film and scans half of one and half of the one next to it.
>> Never had this problem with this scanner when scanning them as
>> negatives.
>
>Right. It confuses the automagic cropping. On the 8000, I usually can
>manually reset the crop, although it's a pain.

The problem is not automatic cropping but Vuescan. The Vuescan
cropping bug has been there for years.

>Some people like Vuescan, which tends to give more manual control. I used it
>years ago, but found NikonScan easier with the 8000.

Yes, NikonScan is far superior as is Silverfast (www.silverfast.com).
Not surprising because those are professional products unlike Vuescan
which is really just a little amateur program. So it's not a fair
comparison.

Bart
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"Bart van der Wolf" <bvdwolf RemoveThis @no.spam> wrote:
> <davidjl RemoveThis @gol.com> wrote:
> SNIP
>>> Thanks, the problem with scanning it as a positive is that the scanner
>>> doesn't seem to recognize correctly where the negative starts on the
>>> strip of film and scans half of one and half of the one next to it.
>>> Never had this problem with this scanner when scanning them as
>>> negatives.
>>
>>Right. It confuses the automagic cropping. On the 8000, I usually can
>>manually reset the crop, although it's a pain.
>
> The problem is not automatic cropping but Vuescan. The Vuescan
> cropping bug has been there for years.

The writer of this message (a) isn't Bart, and (b) doesn't know what he's
talking about.

In particular, no software succeeds in using its _color slide_ cropping
algorithm to crop _negatives_.

>>Some people like Vuescan, which tends to give more manual control. I used
>>it
>>years ago, but found NikonScan easier with the 8000.
>
> Yes, NikonScan is far superior as is Silverfast (www.silverfast.com).
> Not surprising because those are professional products unlike Vuescan
> which is really just a little amateur program. So it's not a fair
> comparison.

Stupid troll.

(For the benefit of people reading this on rec.photo.digital,
comp.periphs.scanners is having problems with a stupid troll who fakes
message headers.)

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
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Automatic cropping works wonderfully in VueScan. I recommend
everyone download it. You can download it from:

http://www.hamrick.com/

Don

"Bart van der Wolf" <bvdwolf.TakeThisOut@no.spam> wrote in message
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> <davidjl.TakeThisOut@gol.com> wrote in message news:
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> SNIP
>>> Thanks, the problem with scanning it as a positive is that the scanner
>>> doesn't seem to recognize correctly where the negative starts on the
>>> strip of film and scans half of one and half of the one next to it.
>>> Never had this problem with this scanner when scanning them as
>>> negatives.
>>
>>Right. It confuses the automagic cropping. On the 8000, I usually can
>>manually reset the crop, although it's a pain.
>
> The problem is not automatic cropping but Vuescan. The Vuescan
> cropping bug has been there for years.
>
>>Some people like Vuescan, which tends to give more manual control. I used
>>it
>>years ago, but found NikonScan easier with the 8000.
>
> Yes, NikonScan is far superior as is Silverfast (www.silverfast.com).
> Not surprising because those are professional products unlike Vuescan
> which is really just a little amateur program. So it's not a fair
> comparison.
>
> Bart
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"David J. Littleboy" <davidjl.DeleteThis@gol.com> wrote:

>"Bart van der Wolf" <bvdwolf.DeleteThis@no.spam> wrote:
>> SNIP
> The Vuescan cropping bug has been there for years.
>
>Stupid troll.

You're right. This Bart person is quite some character.

A quick Google search for his full name shows he's been at it for a
few years. Some people, eh?

Rick
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And another google search will show that Bart doesn't
post from supernews, only the troll (i.e. me) does.

Rick Hamed is also a forged posting from me.

Don

"Rick Hamed" <rick RemoveThis @ham.ed> wrote in message
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> "David J. Littleboy" <davidjl RemoveThis @gol.com> wrote:
>
>>"Bart van der Wolf" <bvdwolf RemoveThis @no.spam> wrote:
>>> SNIP
>> The Vuescan cropping bug has been there for years.
>>
>>Stupid troll.
>
> You're right. This Bart person is quite some character.
>
> A quick Google search for his full name shows he's been at it for a
> few years. Some people, eh?
>
> Rick
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Hoshisato wrote:

> Thanks, the problem with scanning it as a positive is that the scanner
> doesn't seem to recognize correctly where the negative starts on the
> strip of film and scans half of one and half of the one next to it.

The negative strip frame finding/cropping problem is NOT really a
VueScan bug it is just that Ed Hamrick can't or doesn't want to
implement the same method used in NikonScan -- that is doing a low
level scan of the entire strip and then looking for the interframe
areas that define the image frames. VueScan bases its frame
finding/cropping on the sprocket holes. This technique is quite
understandable from Ed's point of view. Note: the users manual gives
guidance. It suggests selecting the second frame and then using the
frame offset controls to center the frame, then scan the strip starting
from frame 1. This proceedure (although clunky) usually works for me
on my LS4000. Your experience may vary.

A bug it is not -- just a feature that is not as elegant as the
original (although I've had occassional problems with NikonScan not
finding the frames as well).

Jeff Randall
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"Rick Hamed" <rick.DeleteThis@ham.ed> wrote:
> "David J. Littleboy" <davidjl.DeleteThis@gol.com> wrote:
>
>>"Bart van der Wolf" <bvdwolf.DeleteThis@no.spam> wrote:
>>> SNIP
>> The Vuescan cropping bug has been there for years.
>>
>>Stupid troll.
>
> You're right. This Bart person is quite some character.

I'm quite sure Bart didn't write that.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
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"David J. Littleboy" <davidjl.RemoveThis@gol.com> wrote in message
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> I'm quite sure Bart didn't write that.

I'm 100% sure I didn't write that , and I don't post from
supernews.com either.

Besides, 'Rick Hamed' as a permutation of 'Ed Hamrick' is just too
obviously a lame trolling attempt.

Enough said, it doesn't even deserve wasting my time on. There is too
much constructive stuff to share, and too little time to do it ...

Bart
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<phoney.email RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>Automatic cropping is totally broken in VueScan. I recommend
>checking the archives. You can make up your own mind.

Don is right. Automatic cropping in Vuescan never worked and, by the
looks of it, never will as Ed is incapable of fixing it. Just one of
the many Vuescan bugs...

Bart
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bvdwolf.DeleteThis@xs4all.nl pretending to be "Don" wrote:

>Besides, 'Rick Hamed' as a permutation of 'Ed Hamrick' is just too
>obviously a lame trolling attempt.

Swoosh! Way over your head!

Bart, you're as humorless as ever. You just don't get it!

The only obvious thing is the clever, but not too obscure,
tongue-in-cheek acronym. It's very good, actually!

But you're just too angry to see that.

>Enough said, it doesn't even deserve wasting my time on. There is too
>much constructive stuff to share, and too little time to do it now that
>I'm busy faking Don's messages...

What you also fail to see is that picking a fight with someone who's
protecting his identity is suicidal. Especially, since YOUR identity
is widely exposed.

Regards,
Ed Hamrick
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"Ed Hamrick" <useless.RemoveThis@hamstrung.com> wrote in message
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> What you also fail to see is that picking a fight with someone who's
> protecting his identity is suicidal. Especially, since YOUR identity
> is widely exposed.

Of course, Ed hasn't posted a message on usenet in years, and this
is just another pathetic posting by me.

Don
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