Colorsync'ing my printer

acl wrote:
> On May 26, 3:19 pm, Martin Sørensen <santana.soren... DeleteThis @get2net.dk>
> wrote:
>> OK, hope this is not too OT, otherwise sorry.
>>
>> I have a D80, an 1.5 GHz Alubook running Mac OS X 10.4.9. As printer I
>> have an Epson DX4050, that is a cheapish multifunction thing, but with
>> 4 cartridges and an ICC profile which is installed. I have been
>> through the simple calibration routine under Displays
>>
>> When I try to print photos, they come out much darker and with a
>> greenish tint; nothing like the screen. Any clue what is happening? I
>> use some HP Photo paper I have lying around, but I can't imagine that
>> makes the whole difference.
>
> The paper can make a very big difference. Give it a try with epson
> papers. It also depends on how your screen is set up.

Darker with a tint often indicates that you're double color-managing,
once with the printer driver, and once with Photoshop. But you may not
be using PS. '
What app. are you printing from?

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On May 26, 5:21 pm, John McWilliams <j... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> acl wrote:
> > On May 26, 3:19 pm, Martin Sørensen <santana.soren... RemoveThis @get2net.dk>
> > wrote:
> >> OK, hope this is not too OT, otherwise sorry.
>
> >> I have a D80, an 1.5 GHz Alubook running Mac OS X 10.4.9. As printer I
> >> have an Epson DX4050, that is a cheapish multifunction thing, but with
> >> 4 cartridges and an ICC profile which is installed. I have been
> >> through the simple calibration routine under Displays
>
> >> When I try to print photos, they come out much darker and with a
> >> greenish tint; nothing like the screen. Any clue what is happening? I
> >> use some HP Photo paper I have lying around, but I can't imagine that
> >> makes the whole difference.
>
> > The paper can make a very big difference. Give it a try with epson
> > papers. It also depends on how your screen is set up.
>
> Darker with a tint often indicates that you're double color-managing,
> once with the printer driver, and once with Photoshop. But you may not
> be using PS. '
> What app. are you printing from?
>
iPhoto. This is not (colour) critical work, a picture of my sons for
the grandparents. But I was astonished how much it was off, it felt
useless to adjust.

Process was RAW -> quick adjust in iPhoto 6 -> print in bad colours.

I will have a go on Epson paper, thanks to all so far.

/Martin
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On May 26, 5:26 pm, "Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)"
<egruf_usen....DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
> On 26 May 2007 04:19:59 -0700, in rec.photo.digital Martin Sørensen
>
> <santana.soren....DeleteThis@get2net.dk> wrote:
> >OK, hope this is not too OT, otherwise sorry.
>
> >I have a D80, an 1.5 GHz Alubook running Mac OS X 10.4.9. As printer I
> >have an Epson DX4050, that is a cheapish multifunction thing, but with
> >4 cartridges and an ICC profile which is installed. I have been
> >through the simple calibration routine under Displays
>
> >When I try to print photos, they come out much darker and with a
> >greenish tint; nothing like the screen. Any clue what is happening? I
> >use some HP Photo paper I have lying around, but I can't imagine that
> >makes the whole difference.
>
> Now, when you talk about the brightness difference the first questions
> which come to mind are, have you calibrated your display (video card and
> monitor) and are you using a color managed application to view your images?
> Display calibration can range from simple and free tools such as Adobe
> Gamma, to hardware/software based solutions from Colorvision/Gretrag/etc.
> used to create specific IIC profiles for your particular display
> combination. To make the best use of this you then need a color managed
> application in which to "soft proof" your images in order to see with some
> precision how they might print. I say some as given the nature of light and
> how images are produced on displays and in print you can't get an exact 1:1
> duplication. You can get a good handle on brightness and contrast though
> with a good setup, so you can expect shadow depth to be reasonably
> reproduced.

As I hinted, I am working on an Apple portable, and I have run through
the basic colour calibration provided by the system. You may not be
aware, but Apple have integrated colour management (called Colorsync)
in the OS for years, and I would therefore expect all app's to obey
it.

I know it is hard to get 1:1 without some serious work, but this is
reallhy far off. My old HP959C was way better.

A bit of reading:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/colorsync/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColorSync

/Martin
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Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 08:21:17 -0700, in rec.photo.digital John McWilliams
> <jpmcw RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Darker with a tint often indicates that you're double color-managing,
>> once with the printer driver, and once with Photoshop. But you may not
>> be using PS. '
>
> Usually, double color management results in a cyan tint on Epson printers,
> no?

That's what I've heard, Ed, but of course I never make a msitake in
pirnting!

Well, not in a long time, but I believe any tint could come through, but
cyan is the most common.

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On May 26, 6:13 pm, "Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)"
<egruf_usen....TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote:
> On 26 May 2007 08:51:44 -0700, in rec.photo.digital Martin Sørensen
>
> <santana.soren....TakeThisOut@get2net.dk> wrote:
> >As I hinted, I am working on an Apple portable, and I have run through
> >the basic colour calibration provided by the system. You may not be
> >aware, but Apple have integrated colour management (called Colorsync)
> >in the OS for years, and I would therefore expect all app's to obey
> >it.
>
> So are you talking about just displaying the images in LR or soft proofing?

LR? I guess it is soft proofing, I would like to be able look at the
screen and have something reasonably similar coming out of the
printer
>
> >I know it is hard to get 1:1 without some serious work, but this is
> >reallhy far off. My old HP959C was way better.
>
> >A bit of reading:
>
> >http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/colorsync/
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColorSync
>
> For you maybe not for me, I don't use this platform. Had you simply stated
> you went through the process in the first place I would not have brought
> this up. Just because it is part of the platform doesn't imply the use of
> it.

It was meant as a friendly FYI. And I did actually write "I have been
through the simple*) calibration routine under Displays", but I
realise that + colorsync only means anything to Macohololics. Sorry if
I was not clear enough.

regards

Martin

*) There is a simple and an advanced routine
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On May 26, 7:19 am, Martin Sørensen <santana.soren... DeleteThis @get2net.dk>
wrote:
> OK, hope this is not too OT, otherwise sorry.
>
> I have a D80, an 1.5 GHz Alubook running Mac OS X 10.4.9. As printer I
> have an Epson DX4050, that is a cheapish multifunction thing, but with
> 4 cartridges and an ICC profile which is installed. I have been
> through the simple calibration routine under Displays
>
> When I try to print photos, they come out much darker and with a
> greenish tint; nothing like the screen. Any clue what is happening? I
> use some HP Photo paper I have lying around, but I can't imagine that
> makes the whole difference.
>
> TIA,
>
> Martin


Inkjets are passé. They're still kind of fun for goofing around, but
it's generally much cheaper to take your images to your nearest photo
store, and you get much better results too. It's literally the
difference between a $150 printer and a $150,000 printer.

I have found that it takes quite a bit of tweaking to get my D200
prints to come out right on my Epson Photo 780 or Color 980, and it's
still not nearly as good as getting them done professionally.
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"Martin Sørensen" <santana.sorensen DeleteThis @get2net.dk> wrote in message
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> OK, hope this is not too OT, otherwise sorry.
>
> I have a D80, an 1.5 GHz Alubook running Mac OS X 10.4.9. As printer I
> have an Epson DX4050, that is a cheapish multifunction thing, but with
> 4 cartridges and an ICC profile which is installed. I have been
> through the simple calibration routine under Displays
>
> When I try to print photos, they come out much darker and with a
> greenish tint; nothing like the screen. Any clue what is happening? I
> use some HP Photo paper I have lying around, but I can't imagine that
> makes the whole difference.
>
> TIA,
>
> Martin
>
HI

Colour management for Displays and Printing is not a simple thing to set up,
but it is not rocket science either.

Your ICC profile will be for Epson Papers only, and the HP paper your are
using could very easily produce a colour cast, depending on what you have
selected in the "media" drop down on the printer driver.

I would suggest trying one of the Epson Papers which is suggested for your
printer, the list is in that "media" drop down. If that does not help, try
asking on the comp.periph.printers News Group.

Roy G
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"Roy G" <roy.gibson1.DeleteThis@REMOVE.tesco.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Martin Sørensen" <santana.sorensen.DeleteThis@get2net.dk> wrote in message
> news:1180178399.094783.308130@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> OK, hope this is not too OT, otherwise sorry.
>>
>> I have a D80, an 1.5 GHz Alubook running Mac OS X 10.4.9. As printer I
>> have an Epson DX4050, that is a cheapish multifunction thing, but with
>> 4 cartridges and an ICC profile which is installed. I have been
>> through the simple calibration routine under Displays
>>
>> When I try to print photos, they come out much darker and with a
>> greenish tint; nothing like the screen. Any clue what is happening? I
>> use some HP Photo paper I have lying around, but I can't imagine that
>> makes the whole difference.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Martin
>>
> HI
>
> Colour management for Displays and Printing is not a simple thing to set
> up, but it is not rocket science either.
>
> Your ICC profile will be for Epson Papers only, and the HP paper your are
> using could very easily produce a colour cast, depending on what you have
> selected in the "media" drop down on the printer driver.
>
> I would suggest trying one of the Epson Papers which is suggested for your
> printer, the list is in that "media" drop down. If that does not help,
> try asking on the comp.periph.printers News Group.
>
> Roy G
I should have added that it might be worth your while to also look at the
Epson Australia site which has a lot more help than any of their other ones.
http.tech.epson.com.au

Roy G
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Roy G offered these thoughts for the group's consideration of
the matter at hand:

> Colour management for Displays and Printing is not a simple
> thing to set up, but it is not rocket science either.

"straight forward, but not trivial" comes to mind. The main
problem is getting what the true color of the original subject is
"matched" in the final image as viewed on your monitor - properly
calibrated, supposedly - then rendered on some output device.
Well, it is impossible to get all 3 to match up 100%. The
original photo was taken using reflected light but you view it on
a monitor via transmitted light. Then, your printer driver with
or without good color management software has to make a
transformation from RGB to CMYK.

I find that for ANY image, there are at least 3 colors: a
scientifically accurate color, what the photographer wants it to
look like even if inaccurate, and what the photographer simply
likes.

That said, monitor and printer profiles notwithstanding, when I
really want to hit as close as possible, I have found there is no
substitute for test prints. I also find that a BIG part of the
challenge of matching monitor and print to what my brain says is
"correct" is the light in the room your PC is in and the light
you view the print is like. Easy example: you have incandescent
room lights fooling your eyes into mis-seeing what is on your
monitor then you take the resulting print into a bright blue sky
daylight environment.

> Your ICC profile will be for Epson Papers only, and the HP
> paper your are using could very easily produce a colour cast,
> depending on what you have selected in the "media" drop down
> on the printer driver.

Clearly agree here. If the printer manufacturer has done their
job well, they will test for and ensure that best results are
obtained by paper they design specifically for the task at hand.
Which makes me majorly grin at Microsoft now selling printer
paper! What a joke! There's a coupon on the paper package to send
for a free CD with driver profiles for most common printers. Duh!
Without that, there's simply no predicting how good or bad MS's
paper would reproduce a given image.

Also, assuming the printer manufacturer has succeeded in writing
a good driver, it will clearly alter color rendition, saturation,
brightness/contrast, etc. depending on the paper type you tell it
you're using. If you lie, you lose.

> I would suggest trying one of the Epson Papers which is
> suggested for your printer, the list is in that "media" drop
> down. If that does not help, try asking on the
> comp.periph.printers News Group.

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On May 26, 7:36 pm, new....TakeThisOut@plcom.net wrote:
> On May 26, 7:19 am, Martin Sørensen <santana.soren....TakeThisOut@get2net.dk>
> wrote:
>
> > OK, hope this is not too OT, otherwise sorry.
>
> > I have a D80, an 1.5 GHz Alubook running Mac OS X 10.4.9. As printer I
> > have an Epson DX4050, that is a cheapish multifunction thing, but with
> > 4 cartridges and an ICC profile which is installed. I have been
> > through the simple calibration routine under Displays
>
> > When I try to print photos, they come out much darker and with a
> > greenish tint; nothing like the screen. Any clue what is happening? I
> > use some HP Photo paper I have lying around, but I can't imagine that
> > makes the whole difference.
>
> > TIA,
>
> > Martin
>
> Inkjets are passé. They're still kind of fun for goofing around, but
> it's generally much cheaper to take your images to your nearest photo
> store, and you get much better results too. It's literally the
> difference between a $150 printer and a $150,000 printer.
>
This may be flamebait, but nevermind. The reason I bothered at all was
that I was unhappy with the prints from one of the kiosk things. And
with the late HP, it was not bad at all.

Have to try pixum.de without their optimisation.

- but I will then have to do without the instant satisfaction :-/

/Martin
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