Choice of inkjet paper

In article <_m6zh.59809$wc5.54142@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
"Mike Russell" <RE-MOVEmike.RemoveThis@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE> wrote:

>
> Yes, though I didn't think he was being subtle, in the sense of trying to be
> deceptive. Maybe you have discovered something the rest of us have missed,
> Bill, bit if it turned out that Wilhelm was under the thumb of any company
> it would cause an uproar in the industry.
> ---
> Mike Russell
> www.curvemeister.com/forum/

No because people like to believe their prints are going to hold up
better than the first 165+ years photo has been around, perhaps somehow
magically endorsed by some scientist who is funded by the very makers of
the stuff they are using. Personally I hope there is no deception, I
hope these color pigment prints I now make do last longer than some of
the chemical prints I have seen. But you know there is is actually less
defined knowledge now than when I went to school for photo in
1982....but people are happy now that they can putter and make prints
easier than ever.

Personally I won't be giving up my darkroom, in favor of inkjetting all
my stuff. I will use each for what its worth!
--
George W. Bush is the President Quayle we never had.
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"Bill Tuthill" <ccreekin.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Russell <RE-MOVEmike.RemoveThis@curvemeister.comre-move> wrote:
>> Shutterbug's interview of Henry Wilhelm has an interesting discussion of
>> the
>> longevity of different technogies, and some discussion of how
>> manufacturers
>> do their testing:
>> http://www.shutterbug.com/features/1103sb_thearchival/
>
> Did you notice Henry Wilhelm's subtle use of the phrase "indoor display" ?

Yes, though I didn't think he was being subtle, in the sense of trying to be
deceptive. Maybe you have discovered something the rest of us have missed,
Bill, bit if it turned out that Wilhelm was under the thumb of any company
it would cause an uproar in the industry.
---
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/
 >> Stay informed about: Choice of inkjet paper 

Mike Russell <RE-MOVEmike.TakeThisOut@curvemeister.comre-move> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.shutterbug.com/features/1103sb_thearchival/
>>
>> Did you notice Henry Wilhelm's subtle use of the phrase "indoor display" ?
>
> Yes, though I didn't think he was being subtle, in the sense of trying to be
> deceptive. Maybe you have discovered something the rest of us have missed,
> Bill, bit if it turned out that Wilhelm was under the thumb of any company
> it would cause an uproar in the industry.

I don't believe Henry Wilhelm is "under the thumb" of Epson or any other
printer vendor, but I do think his primary testing methods, especially
use of fluorescent lighting, give an unfair advantage to inkjet prints
versus RA-4 photo paper.

If RA-4 paper faded quickly in direct sun, or in glass-filtered sunlight,
somebody would have noticed by now. I have noticed that inkjet prints
(dye-based ink on Epson Photo paper) fade noticeably within a month when
displayed on my refrigerator, and nearly revert to white after 2 years.
This, and other factors (especially low ink capacity and high ink cost)
caused me not to buy another Epson product.

Maybe Ultrachrome is vastly better than that, but the op. cit. Dupont PDF
makes me dubious. http://www.terrapinphoto.com/dupont.pdf - p.34

I don't appreciate people saying that my "two summers on a dashboard" test
is worthless. IMO that undermines the trustworthiness of J. Clarke.

P.S. (not valuable for RPD readers) I did the RA-4 test because somebody
on photo.net cast aspersions on Agfa paper, saying it faded quickly.
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"Bill Tuthill" <ccreekin DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I don't appreciate people saying that my "two summers on a dashboard" test
> is worthless. IMO that undermines the trustworthiness of J. Clarke.

FWIW, I think your experiment does have value. My own experience has shown
that tests like this mean very little to people on newsgroups, since there
is always room for argument and second guessing, which is rife here as you
know.
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/
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Mike Russell <RE-MOVEmike.DeleteThis@curvemeister.comre-move> wrote:
> ...
>> I don't appreciate people saying that my "two summers on a dashboard" test
>> is worthless. IMO that undermines the trustworthiness of J. Clarke.
>
> FWIW, I think your experiment does have value. My own experience has shown
> that tests like this mean very little to people on newsgroups, since there
> is always room for argument and second guessing, which is rife here.

Well thanks. J Clarke seems to post a lot in rec.woodworking!

Forgot to mention -- dye-based Epson inks on Epson Photo paper displayed
in my workpace, which is entirely illuminated with flourescent lights,
last many years without fading.

But something about Epson and sunlight do not mix.
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