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Eatmorepies

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:57 pm
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I've Googled round and round and only find adverts for various papers. So
what do you exhibition photographers print on?

I've tried various Epson papers but they don't look like the ones I've seen
in the best exhibitons - neither do my photos but let's concentrate on
paper.

What papers do you suggest I might buy to get digital prints a step up from
Epson Premium Glossy? (not that I want glossy in particular).

John

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On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:55:57 +0000, Eatmorepies wrote:

> I've Googled round and round and only find adverts for various papers. So
> what do you exhibition photographers print on?
>
> I've tried various Epson papers but they don't look like the ones I've seen
> in the best exhibitons - neither do my photos but let's concentrate on
> paper.
>
> What papers do you suggest I might buy to get digital prints a step up from
> Epson Premium Glossy? (not that I want glossy in particular).
>
> John

FWIW - I've read a couple of photography magazine articles in the past
indicating that there really is a reason to use the paper that the printer
manufacturer recommends and sells - they match the paper surface with the
specific inks they sell.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:02 pm
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Custom profiles gives better results than canned profiles.Here are few
profiling services that provide these profiles.


http://www.customiccprofiles.com/ - 288 patches - $15 Canadian per
Profile

http://www.inkjetart.com/custom_profiles/ - $25 for "thick paper" 918
patch profile - $25 for "thin paper" 1728 patch profile - $50 for a CD/
DVD Profile

http://donsprofiles.com/index.htm - 918 patches - $29 a profile

http://www.dfaprinting.com/profserv.html - $35 for 729 patch profile -
$45 for 1728 patch profile

http://www.cathysprofiles.com/ - 918 patches - $40 a profile

http://www.drycreekphoto.com/custom/customprofiles.htm - (currently on
hiatus) - $50 a profile

http://www.chromix.com/colorvalet/ - 756 patches - $99 a profile

http://www.rpimaging.com/services/custom_icc_profiling - 729 patches -
$99 a profile

http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/cm/custom-icc.html - 918 patches -
$250 a profile
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:05 pm
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Eatmorepies wrote:
> I've Googled round and round and only find adverts for various
> papers. So what do you exhibition photographers print on?
>
> I've tried various Epson papers but they don't look like the ones
> I've seen in the best exhibitons - neither do my photos but let's
> concentrate on paper.
>
> What papers do you suggest I might buy to get digital prints a step
> up from Epson Premium Glossy? (not that I want glossy in particular).
>
> John

InkJet results depend on four factors. The image, the printer, the ink
and the paper. They all work together. Now add in the fact that quality is
a very subjective think, you can get a lot of different answers.

How about telling us what printer ink and paper combonation you like
best or are using now?

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:27 pm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:57 pm
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> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:55:57 +0000, Eatmorepies wrote:
>
>> I've Googled round and round and only find adverts for various papers. So
>> what do you exhibition photographers print on?

Ilford Semi-Matte is worth a look. I was surprised to find that, for a matte
paper, it had a higher dMax than Epson glossy photo paper. I did not test
against PGPP.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:56 pm
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Eatmorepies wrote

> What papers do you suggest I might buy to get digital prints a step up
> from Epson Premium Glossy? (not that I want glossy in particular).

I've had much much better results from my Epson printer
with Ilford Pearl than any of the Epson papers. You just
have to knock the Magenta back 20%

Chris
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:56 pm
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Ed Ruf wrote

> Is this in a color managed work flow with an appropriate paper/ink
> combination ICC profile?

Trial, error and peristance, Ed.

Chris
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:58 pm
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Ed Ruf wrote

> Did you start with a managed work flow and profile or just brute
> force it?

Brute force. Even the recommended Ilford settings were inadequate.
If I was volume printing then I would definitely have to be more ordered
about the whole thing, if only to guarantee consistency of output. At
the moment, if I volume print then its off to the on-line print shop with
it.

> I get quite good results on
> an R800 using the old Costco paper rumoured to be made by Ilford with one
> of their profiles printing using Qimage. Also get great results on several
> Epson papers using their profiles as well.

It's all a bit frustratingly black art at times. Thanks for the tips.

Chris
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:58 pm
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"Eatmorepies" <xyztnday DeleteThis @lineone.net> wrote in message
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> I've Googled round and round and only find adverts for various papers. So
> what do you exhibition photographers print on?
>
> I've tried various Epson papers but they don't look like the ones I've
> seen in the best exhibitons - neither do my photos but let's concentrate
> on paper.
>
> What papers do you suggest I might buy to get digital prints a step up
> from Epson Premium Glossy? (not that I want glossy in particular).
>
> John

Hi.

A lot of exhibitors, that I know, use "Art Papers" from Perma Jet and other
independant suppliers. These papers are almost always Matt or Semi Matt
finish, and a lot more expensive than Epsons.

One of our local specialised "Art" labs highly recommends Epson Cotton
Canvas.

All these workers use ICC Profiles and Colour Manage for the papers. Some
of the manufacturers do supply Free "Canned" Profiles for a range of
Printers, or will make Custom Profiles at a cost, or Free if you buy a
certain amount of their product.

Roy G
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:18 am
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ray wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:55:57 +0000, Eatmorepies wrote:
>
>> I've Googled round and round and only find adverts for various papers. So
>> what do you exhibition photographers print on?
>>
>> I've tried various Epson papers but they don't look like the ones I've seen
>> in the best exhibitons - neither do my photos but let's concentrate on
>> paper.
>>
>> What papers do you suggest I might buy to get digital prints a step up from
>> Epson Premium Glossy? (not that I want glossy in particular).
>>
>> John
>
> FWIW - I've read a couple of photography magazine articles in the past
> indicating that there really is a reason to use the paper that the printer
> manufacturer recommends and sells - they match the paper surface with the
> specific inks they sell.
>
True, and in most cases, the chemistry of the ink and paper combine to
produce better images, and may also result in longer lasting pictures
without fade, or color change.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:42 am
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"Ron Hunter" <rphunter.RemoveThis@charter.net> wrote in message
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> ray wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:55:57 +0000, Eatmorepies wrote:
>>
>>> I've Googled round and round and only find adverts for various papers.
>>> So what do you exhibition photographers print on?
>>>
>>> I've tried various Epson papers but they don't look like the ones I've
>>> seen in the best exhibitons - neither do my photos but let's concentrate
>>> on paper.
>>>
>>> What papers do you suggest I might buy to get digital prints a step up
>>> from Epson Premium Glossy? (not that I want glossy in particular).
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> FWIW - I've read a couple of photography magazine articles in the past
>> indicating that there really is a reason to use the paper that the
>> printer
>> manufacturer recommends and sells - they match the paper surface with the
>> specific inks they sell.
>>
> True, and in most cases, the chemistry of the ink and paper combine to
> produce better images, and may also result in longer lasting pictures
> without fade, or color change.

That's not necessarily true. I've found, and so have many others, that
Ilford, Museo, Moab and other papers produce superior images to any of the
papers offered by the printer mfrs.

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Skip Middleton
www.shadowcatcherimagery.com
www.pbase.com/skipm
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:51 am
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Eatmorepies wrote:

> I've Googled round and round and only find adverts for various papers. So
> what do you exhibition photographers print on?
>
> I've tried various Epson papers but they don't look like the ones I've seen
> in the best exhibitons - neither do my photos but let's concentrate on
> paper.
>
> What papers do you suggest I might buy to get digital prints a step up from
> Epson Premium Glossy? (not that I want glossy in particular).
>
> John
>
>

I must be dense, but -- if you want hang-on-the-wall quality -- why would you
start with an inkjet printer?
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Cheers, Bob
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