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Tzortzakakis Dimitrios

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:10 pm
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Ο "John Vanini" έγραψε στο μήνυμα

> "Paul D Moore" wrote in message
>
> > <snip>
> >
> > This problem is very common, particularly with Epson scanners. I've had
> > new scanners from Epson delivered like this. The problem is condensation
> > forming under the glass. It won't disappear over time, it will get
worse.
> > It is made worse if the scanner is left in a moist atmosphere The effect
> > is the same as on a bathroom window. If you leave a windowpane uncleaned
> > in a bathroom it will start to look exactly the same as your scanner
over
> > a period of time. It's the tiny particles of dust/dirt/grease etc that
> > stick the surface when the steam is formed and condenses on the glass.
> > It's the same with a scanner; particles are left on the glass. It is
very
> > difficult to remove without taking the scanner apart and cleaning the
> > glass. I doubt that using silica gel will remove it. But please do let
us
> > know it works.
> >
> > Every Epson scanner I've owned has developed this problem over time.
> > Someone once suggested that with Epson its the plasticizers in the
plastic
> > that gass off. This may explain why Epsons seem to be particulary
affected
> > .Fortunately, someone posted disassembly instructions for Epson scanners
> > on one of the scanner newsgroups a few years ago. I suggest you actually
> > post to one of the scanner groups in case someone knows how to take a
> > Canon apart.
> >
> > pdm
>
> > Thanks Paul, I understand what you're saying and will see what I can
find
> > out about disassembling this one. When I rang Epson, I asked if someone
in
> > their service department could tell me how to get the glass out without
> > breaking anything, but they only wanted to discuss sending it back for
> > repair.
>
> Strangely enough, I posted to this group by accident so then posted the
same
> question to a scanner newsgroup but got only one reply from them!
>
> I'll have a look to see what other scanner groups there are but I've had a
> lot of good ideas and suggestions from this group (for which I again,
thank
> everyone) so am pleased I made the error in the first place.
>
Maybe you can post a link to a photo of the scanner's bottom? If there's any
chance of taking it apart, people in this newsgroup may help. There is also
the chance that it is simply weld together, or just has some very strange
screws that only the service may loose (a common practice now).



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Tzortzakakis Dimitrios

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:17 pm
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? "Allen" ?????? ??? ??????

> John Vanini wrote:
> > I have a Canon scanner (CanoScan 8000-F) and, some time ago, marks
looking
> > exactly like moisture trails (I'm sure that's what they are) appeared
all
> > over the inside of the glass.
> >
> > I can't find a way of removing the glass, so that I can wipe the
underside
> > clean, without risking breaking the plastic casing.
> >
> > It was just outside the warranty period (isn't it always!) and Canon
wanted
> > to charge me almost the same price as the cost of a new one.
> >
> > This 'misting' affects everything I scan in but is worse for photographs
> > where they produce dull, flat areas, which I can't find a way of
removing.
> >
> > Does anyone know of how I might get inside the scanner to clean the
glass,
> > please?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> I haven't read every post to this thread, so this might already have
> been suggested. I would set a hair drier to its lowest temperature and
> blow on the surface of the glass just long enough to raise its
> temperature a few degrees. If it is indeed humidity condensation it
> should disappear. If that works, perhaps you could invest in the
> lowest-price hair drier you can find, leave it by the scanner, and use
> it just before you scan each time. Incidentally, I have a 8400F, which I
> suspect is the same case design, and I can see no easy way (other than
> the "bigger hammer" approach) to get into it. I haven't had your
> problem, I'm happy to say, and I live in Austin TX, which is neither
> excessively humid nor excessively dry most of the time. May I ask where
> you live?
> Allen
That's a very good idea, and you can use a space heater with fan, too
(that's how I dried off my VCR). I had a Black&Decker scredriver for more
than 10 years, and today the cable from the charger was short circuited, and
the only way to fix it was to open the charger, and the only way to open it
was the hammer approach, since it was obviously weld together and not
screwed. So, I throwed it away, and got for 55 euros a Bosch screwdriver
with Lithium battery and cruise control....(I suggest you try the space
heater approach, before, well...)



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John Vanini

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:38 pm
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"Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" wrote in message

>
>Maybe you can post a link to a photo of the scanner's bottom? If there's
>any
>chance of taking it apart, people in this newsgroup may help. There is also
>the chance that it is simply weld together, or just has some very strange
>screws that only the service may loose (a common practice now).
>
>

I can take a photo of the scanner but have nowhere to upload it so can't,
unforuantely, give a link.

What I never mentioned (because it's some time since I tried to get into the
unit, and simply forgot about until I turned the unti over a few moments
ago) is that there are 4 screws underneath, which hold a metal plate,
roughly 8 1/2" x 4", in place. Removing the screws, doesn't free the plate,
however. Only the one 4" wide edge can be lifted and only about 1/16" (if
that) but the other end is held securely in place for some reason that I
can't make out.

Even if I removed the plate, I couldn't get the glass out through the
aperture and it would be difficult to get my hand in. On top of that,
looking through the glass I can see a rectangular box, roughly the same size
as the plate, and in the same place, but no way of removing it. The box,
obviouly, houses something and, my guess would be a printed circuit card of
some description.

I hestiate to go too far in case, in stripping things down without some
knowledge of what I'm doing, I damage something beyond repair. That's why I
was hoping someone on the group might have had the same, or a similar,
problem and solved it.

Thanks for your reply, though.

John
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:47 pm
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"Allen" wrote in message

>
> I haven't read every post to this thread, so this might already have been
> suggested. I would set a hair drier to its lowest temperature and blow on
> the surface of the glass just long enough to raise its temperature a few
> degrees. If it is indeed humidity condensation it should disappear. If
> that works, perhaps you could invest in the lowest-price hair drier you
> can find, leave it by the scanner, and use it just before you scan each
> time. Incidentally, I have a 8400F, which I suspect is the same case
> design, and I can see no easy way (other than the "bigger hammer"
> approach) to get into it. I haven't had your problem, I'm happy to say,
> and I live in Austin TX, which is neither excessively humid nor
> excessively dry most of the time. May I ask where you live?
> Allen

Hi Allen,

I live in Sussex, England. on the South Coast. It's not particulary humid
but we do get condensation indoors at various times.

Another thing I forgot, and have only just remembered (sorry folks!) is that
I did put it in our airing cupbard (I don't know what you'd call it in the
States but it's where we store our sheets and blankets and such) where we
have a large hot water tank (the hot water supply to the house) and it gets
very warm and dry in the cupboard. I know this because that's where I dry
all my chillies!

Getting back to the subject, I, also, remember that it didn't even slightly
reduce the marks. I'm sorry, I didn't mention this before but I'd forgotten
until writing this post..

Apologies to all.

Regards,

John
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John Vanini

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:02 pm
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Hello Toby,

Brilliant! I must admit, I have, accidentally, lifted that top cover off
many times in the past and never once thought to shine a light down the
holes! I've just put the cover back.

Yes, as you say there are, indeed, two screws way down at the bottom of the
holes and tomorrow (it's too late at night, right now) I'll see what I can
do.

Thanks very much, Toby. I believe that you may have the answer (sorry if I
seem doubtful but until I get that ?%@@!!? glass out.....)

Also, thanks to all - you've all be very helpful and Itried to help me -
something which I very much appreciate.

If I may, I'll let you all know if, and when, I get the glass out!

regards,

John

"Toby" wrote in message

> Lift off the top cover--it has two posts that go into holes in the scanner
> body, and you will find the screws that hold the top plate on. Remove them
> and IIRC it is a simple matter to lift off the glass for cleaning.
>
> Toby
>
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:20 pm
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John Vanini wrote:
> "Allen" wrote in message
>
>> I haven't read every post to this thread, so this might already have been
>> suggested. I would set a hair drier to its lowest temperature and blow on
>> the surface of the glass just long enough to raise its temperature a few
>> degrees. If it is indeed humidity condensation it should disappear. If
>> that works, perhaps you could invest in the lowest-price hair drier you
>> can find, leave it by the scanner, and use it just before you scan each
>> time. Incidentally, I have a 8400F, which I suspect is the same case
>> design, and I can see no easy way (other than the "bigger hammer"
>> approach) to get into it. I haven't had your problem, I'm happy to say,
>> and I live in Austin TX, which is neither excessively humid nor
>> excessively dry most of the time. May I ask where you live?
>> Allen
>
> Hi Allen,
>
> I live in Sussex, England. on the South Coast. It's not particulary humid
> but we do get condensation indoors at various times.
>
> Another thing I forgot, and have only just remembered (sorry folks!) is that
> I did put it in our airing cupbard (I don't know what you'd call it in the
> States but it's where we store our sheets and blankets and such) where we
> have a large hot water tank (the hot water supply to the house) and it gets
> very warm and dry in the cupboard. I know this because that's where I dry
> all my chillies!
>
> Getting back to the subject, I, also, remember that it didn't even slightly
> reduce the marks. I'm sorry, I didn't mention this before but I'd forgotten
> until writing this post..
>
> Apologies to all.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
>
Actually, that place is dry only because it is warm; storing the scanner
there would help only if you used it immediately upon removal, before it
has a chance to cool back down. The problem here is that when people
talk about humidity, they almost always mean _relative_ humidity, not
absolute. If the absolute humidity (actual amount of water vapor in the
air) is fixed, the relative humidity will vary with the
temperature--when the air is warm, the _relative_ humidity is lower than
when it is cool. My hair drier suggestion would work only if the scanner
were used while it was still warm.

I noticed that you said you get indoor condensation at times; this
indicates high humidity at the time. I suspect if you are on or near the
coast, your humidity is higher than where the scanner was assembled.
Anyway, good luck with your problem--that sort of thing can be terribly
frustrating.

Allen
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:33 pm
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Hi Toby,

Been away for a break so couldn't try to dis-assemble the scanner until this
morning.

I removed the top cover and undid the two screws at the bottom of the
'wells', as you described, and nothing moved, so I turned the scanner over
and removed two more screws from the base which looked as though they might,
also, be holding the top in place but all were very short screws and, again,
nothing would move, try as I might.

The top may be just stiff because it hasn't been moved in a long time, but I
hesitate to try to prise it off with a screwdriver or a knife in case I
break the moulding.

I shall keep (gingerly!) trying, but do you have any more information,
please? I was so certain the top would either slide off or lift off and got
a shock when nothing moved, even slightly.

John

"Toby" wrote in message

> Lift off the top cover--it has two posts that go into holes in the scanner
> body, and you will find the screws that hold the top plate on. Remove them
> and IIRC it is a simple matter to lift off the glass for cleaning.
>
> Toby
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:11 pm
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Hi All,
I have figured out how to disassemble the 8000-F to clean the glass.
It's not hard, once you know how - like anything else I guess.
Will post full instructions with photos on my website within the next 24 hours, and post a link here Idea

D.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:38 am
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Hey Diver,

I also have to clean the inside part of my CanoScan 8000-F scanner. Did you have time to put the instructions on your web site yet? I would really appreciate seeing your instructions.

Thank you!

Woodstock
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Diver




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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:16 pm
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Hey Woodstock,

Got a bit busy with other stuff.
I have it ready, mostly, just have to get it on line.
Should be up by tonight, I will post a link soon as I'm done.
Diver
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:57 pm
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Hi All,

Here's how to open the scanner to clean the glass.

Photos and video:

http://www.scubabell.com/Canon_8600F.html

Hope it helps, Idea

Diver
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:48 pm
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Diver,

a perfectionist you are indeed! These instructions are great and I realize it had to take a couple of hours of your precious time to put this together so thank you very very much!

Woodstock
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