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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:01 pm
Post subject: Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi)
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Using the same lens; lets say the 18-85mm IS Canon lens.
Forget about weight and durability.
Which will produce the best image quality or would they be about the same?
What are the advantages of the 450D other than a cheaper price which is
obvious?
What are the advantages of the 40D other than better seals?
There is a big difference in price between these camera and the cheapest
full frame Canon, the 5D soon to be replaced. We also know that the
EF-S lenses will not work on a full frame.
With that in mind, and no moderately price full frame camera announced
and not trend to see would it be more prudent to purchase EF-S lenses
that are smaller, lighter and less expensive than the EF counterpart or
pay more for the lens and carry around more size and weight as insurance
that there soon will be a less expensive full frame that the
5D/replacement or in the event that the small sensor DSLRs will soon
disappear and give way to only full frame?
In the film world there was a complete lineup of full frame SLR but they
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:45 am
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"measekite" <inkystinky.DeleteThis@oem.com> wrote in message
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> Using the same lens; lets say the 18-85mm IS Canon lens.
>
> Forget about weight and durability.
>
> Which will produce the best image quality or would they be about the same?
>
> What are the advantages of the 450D other than a cheaper price which is
> obvious?
>
> What are the advantages of the 40D other than better seals?
>
> There is a big difference in price between these camera and the cheapest
> full frame Canon, the 5D soon to be replaced. We also know that the EF-S
> lenses will not work on a full frame.
>
> With that in mind, and no moderately price full frame camera announced and
> not trend to see would it be more prudent to purchase EF-S lenses that are
> smaller, lighter and less expensive than the EF counterpart or pay more
> for the lens and carry around more size and weight as insurance that there
> soon will be a less expensive full frame that the 5D/replacement or in the
> event that the small sensor DSLRs will soon disappear and give way to only
> full frame?
Different formats, different cameras, different reasons for choosing one
over the other. The 40D is faster with a better AF system and better high
ISO performance. And more durable. Different beasts for different uses.
The 5D will be replaced, eventually, but that doesn't mean you'll need to
move from sub-frame, nor does it mean that you'll need to do anything. Your
equipment will continue to function as it did when you purchased it. So,
with that in mind, here's my answer:
If you want to save size and weight, go sub-frame and don't worry about EF-S
lenses becoming obsolete. They won't. Sub-frame cameras are here to stay,
and will present a smaller and lighter alternative to FF cams. The only
reason NOT to buy sub-frame is if you want or need something that you can
get only in a FF cam. So get the smaller cam if it suits your needs and
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi) [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <4k04k.7782$jI5.1005@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com>,
measekite <inkystinky DeleteThis @oem.com> wrote:
> Using the same lens; lets say the 18-85mm IS Canon lens.
>
> Forget about weight and durability.
>
> Which will produce the best image quality or would they be about the same?
>
> What are the advantages of the 450D other than a cheaper price which is
> obvious?
What's your definition of "best?"
My suggestion is simple. Try each camera in a camera store and read the
reviews on http://www.dpreview.com then you'll know which model fits
your needs best. Both cameras are superb though. >> Stay informed about: Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi) |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:39 pm
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In article <4k04k.7782$jI5.1005@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com>,
measekite <inkystinky.RemoveThis@oem.com> wrote:
> Using the same lens; lets say the 18-85mm IS Canon lens.
>
> Forget about weight and durability.
>
> Which will produce the best image quality or would they be about the
> same?
>
> What are the advantages of the 450D other than a cheaper price which
> is
> obvious?
I had the same question back when the 20D and the 350 XT were newish.
The 20D was main and the 350 XT was "auxiliary backup" and "second
unit".
After a few weeks use I decided I should have saved up and bought
another 20D. The XT's images were nearly identical to the 20D with
same lenses and similar or same conditions. Getting those images was
much more laborious on the XT. The 20D removed several menu-layer and
other control obstacles present in the XT, and represented a
facilitator of better photos rather than a hindrance.
I'd hope that by now Canon had resolved those differences, but
wouldn't be surprised if some version of them still resided in the
less expensive camera, if not by design, by some weird idea of
"necessity".
Any road, my experience in this kind of choice is: Go for the more
advanced - even if more expensive - item, and you'll not be kicking
yourself about your decision. Money is not all that significant in the
relationship between you and your camera. Knowing the camera is "best"
can make a real difference.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi) [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> I had the same question back when the 20D and the 350 XT were newish.
> The 20D was main and the 350 XT was "auxiliary backup" and "second
> unit".
>
> After a few weeks use I decided I should have saved up and bought
> another 20D. The XT's images were nearly identical to the 20D with
> same lenses and similar or same conditions. Getting those images was
> much more laborious on the XT. The 20D removed several menu-layer and
> other control obstacles present in the XT, and represented a
> facilitator of better photos rather than a hindrance.
>
> I'd hope that by now Canon had resolved those differences, but
> wouldn't be surprised if some version of them still resided in the
> less expensive camera, if not by design, by some weird idea of
> "necessity".
>
> Any road, my experience in this kind of choice is: Go for the more
> advanced - even if more expensive - item, and you'll not be kicking
> yourself about your decision. Money is not all that significant in the
> relationship between you and your camera. Knowing the camera is "best"
> can make a real difference.
>
Hi All:
The main difference for me between the 2 cameras is the viewfinder and the
reason I bought the 40D over any of the lower priced Canon cameras.
The 40D has a pentaprism all the others have pentamirror. To me the
brightness and clarity of the 40D is all over the digital rebel series
cameras.
Of course I like some of the other features of the 40D but the viewfinder
made me plunk my credit card down.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:59 pm
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In article <Xns9ABC73B7B6758jxp16psuedu.RemoveThis@128.118.141.40>,
John Passaneau <w3jxp.RemoveThis@arrl.net> wrote:
> > I had the same question back when the 20D and the 350 XT were newish.
> > The 20D was main and the 350 XT was "auxiliary backup" and "second
> > unit".
> >
> > After a few weeks use I decided I should have saved up and bought
> > another 20D. The XT's images were nearly identical to the 20D with
> > same lenses and similar or same conditions. Getting those images was
> > much more laborious on the XT. The 20D removed several menu-layer and
> > other control obstacles present in the XT, and represented a
> > facilitator of better photos rather than a hindrance.
> >
> > I'd hope that by now Canon had resolved those differences, but
> > wouldn't be surprised if some version of them still resided in the
> > less expensive camera, if not by design, by some weird idea of
> > "necessity".
> >
> > Any road, my experience in this kind of choice is: Go for the more
> > advanced - even if more expensive - item, and you'll not be kicking
> > yourself about your decision. Money is not all that significant in the
> > relationship between you and your camera. Knowing the camera is "best"
> > can make a real difference.
> >
>
> Hi All:
>
> The main difference for me between the 2 cameras is the viewfinder and the
> reason I bought the 40D over any of the lower priced Canon cameras.
> The 40D has a pentaprism all the others have pentamirror. To me the
> brightness and clarity of the 40D is all over the digital rebel series
> cameras.
> Of course I like some of the other features of the 40D but the viewfinder
> made me plunk my credit card down.
The choice of a camera is not much different then choosing a pair of
shoes. What's good for you, may not be good for the next person. I
bought an XSi in April and I love it. What convinced me to go with it
instead of the 40D was the live view feature and lighter weight. I can't
compare my XSi to a 40D because I don't own a 40D, but I am very happy
with the photos I am getting out of it and I have received lots of
favorable comments. >> Stay informed about: Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi) |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:10 am
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Shawn Hirn <srhi.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in
news:srhi-D9F81F.19594713062008@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
> The choice of a camera is not much different then choosing a pair of
> shoes. What's good for you, may not be good for the next person. I
> bought an XSi in April and I love it. What convinced me to go with it
> instead of the 40D was the live view feature and lighter weight. I
> can't compare my XSi to a 40D because I don't own a 40D, but I am very
> happy with the photos I am getting out of it and I have received lots
> of favorable comments.
>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:10 am
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:16 am
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:12:17 -0400, Shawn Hirn <srhi.DeleteThis@comcast.net>
wrote:
>In article <Xns9ABCCD0D8307Fsamthemanverizonnet.DeleteThis@127.0.0.1>,
> SamSez <samtheman.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Shawn Hirn <srhi.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:srhi-D9F81F.19594713062008@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
>>
>> > The choice of a camera is not much different then choosing a pair of
>> > shoes. What's good for you, may not be good for the next person. I
>> > bought an XSi in April and I love it. What convinced me to go with it
>> > instead of the 40D was the live view feature and lighter weight. I
>> > can't compare my XSi to a 40D because I don't own a 40D, but I am very
>> > happy with the photos I am getting out of it and I have received lots
>> > of favorable comments.
>> >
>>
>> because of the live view feature?
>
>Live view was a significant criteria for me. With it, I can hold the
>camera above my head or low to the ground and get shots that I would
>have previously not been able to do.
Sure, but the 40D also has Live View.
One criterion, two criteria. The singular is criterion. Funny, huh?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:40 am
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:46 pm
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? "Jeannie" <jeannie DeleteThis @truevisions.com> ?????? ??? ??????
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> On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:12:17 -0400, Shawn Hirn <srhi DeleteThis @comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <Xns9ABCCD0D8307Fsamthemanverizonnet DeleteThis @127.0.0.1>,
>> SamSez <samtheman DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:
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>>> Shawn Hirn <srhi DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in
>>> news:srhi-D9F81F.19594713062008@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
>>>
>>> > The choice of a camera is not much different then choosing a pair of
>>> > shoes. What's good for you, may not be good for the next person. I
>>> > bought an XSi in April and I love it. What convinced me to go with it
>>> > instead of the 40D was the live view feature and lighter weight. I
>>> > can't compare my XSi to a 40D because I don't own a 40D, but I am very
>>> > happy with the photos I am getting out of it and I have received lots
>>> > of favorable comments.
>>> >
>>>
>>> because of the live view feature?
>>
>>Live view was a significant criteria for me. With it, I can hold the
>>camera above my head or low to the ground and get shots that I would
>>have previously not been able to do.
>
> Sure, but the 40D also has Live View.
>
> One criterion, two criteria. The singular is criterion. Funny, huh?
>
That's because it's a greek word.
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major in electrical engineering
mechanized infantry reservist
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:27 pm
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Shawn Hirn wrote:
> In article <Xns9ABCCD0D8307Fsamthemanverizonnet.RemoveThis@127.0.0.1>,
> SamSez <samtheman.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Shawn Hirn <srhi.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:srhi-D9F81F.19594713062008@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
>>
>>
>>> The choice of a camera is not much different then choosing a pair of
>>> shoes. What's good for you, may not be good for the next person. I
>>> bought an XSi in April and I love it. What convinced me to go with it
>>> instead of the 40D was the live view feature and lighter weight. I
>>> can't compare my XSi to a 40D because I don't own a 40D, but I am very
>>> happy with the photos I am getting out of it and I have received lots
>>> of favorable comments.
>>>
>>>
>> because of the live view feature?
>>
>
> Live view was a significant criteria for me. With it, I can hold the
> camera above my head or low to the ground and get shots that I would
> have previously not been able to do.
>
Yes but to make live view really effective don't you think that Canon
should offer an articulating LCD like on the S5? >> Stay informed about: Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi) |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:51 pm
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measekite <inkystinky DeleteThis @oem.com> wrote in news:1lG6k.8921$jI5.4382
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>
>
> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>> In article <Xns9ABCCD0D8307Fsamthemanverizonnet DeleteThis @127.0.0.1>,
>> SamSez <samtheman DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Shawn Hirn <srhi DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in
>>> news:srhi-D9F81F.19594713062008@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The choice of a camera is not much different then choosing a pair of
>>>> shoes. What's good for you, may not be good for the next person. I
>>>> bought an XSi in April and I love it. What convinced me to go with
it
>>>> instead of the 40D was the live view feature and lighter weight. I
>>>> can't compare my XSi to a 40D because I don't own a 40D, but I am
very
>>>> happy with the photos I am getting out of it and I have received
lots
>>>> of favorable comments.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> because of the live view feature?
>>>
>>
>> Live view was a significant criteria for me. With it, I can hold the
>> camera above my head or low to the ground and get shots that I would
>> have previously not been able to do.
>>
> Yes but to make live view really effective don't you think that Canon
> should offer an articulating LCD like on the S5?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:52 pm
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"SamSez" <samtheman.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> measekite <inkystinky.DeleteThis@oem.com> wrote in news:1lG6k.8921$jI5.4382
> @flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com:
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>>
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>> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>>> In article <Xns9ABCCD0D8307Fsamthemanverizonnet.DeleteThis@127.0.0.1>,
>>> SamSez <samtheman.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Shawn Hirn <srhi.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>> news:srhi-D9F81F.19594713062008@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The choice of a camera is not much different then choosing a pair of
>>>>> shoes. What's good for you, may not be good for the next person. I
>>>>> bought an XSi in April and I love it. What convinced me to go with
> it
>>>>> instead of the 40D was the live view feature and lighter weight. I
>>>>> can't compare my XSi to a 40D because I don't own a 40D, but I am
> very
>>>>> happy with the photos I am getting out of it and I have received
> lots
>>>>> of favorable comments.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> because of the live view feature?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Live view was a significant criteria for me. With it, I can hold the
>>> camera above my head or low to the ground and get shots that I would
>>> have previously not been able to do.
>>>
>> Yes but to make live view really effective don't you think that Canon
>> should offer an articulating LCD like on the S5?
>
> one more thing to break
That would take some doing. It was never a problem on either my S1 or S3
model. Came in quite handy on occasions, too.
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SamSez wrote:
> measekite <inkystinky.TakeThisOut@oem.com> wrote in news:1lG6k.8921$jI5.4382
> @flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com:
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>> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>>
>>> In article <Xns9ABCCD0D8307Fsamthemanverizonnet.TakeThisOut@127.0.0.1>,
>>> SamSez <samtheman.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Shawn Hirn <srhi.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>> news:srhi-D9F81F.19594713062008@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The choice of a camera is not much different then choosing a pair of
>>>>> shoes. What's good for you, may not be good for the next person. I
>>>>> bought an XSi in April and I love it. What convinced me to go with
>>>>>
> it
>
>>>>> instead of the 40D was the live view feature and lighter weight. I
>>>>> can't compare my XSi to a 40D because I don't own a 40D, but I am
>>>>>
> very
>
>>>>> happy with the photos I am getting out of it and I have received
>>>>>
> lots
>
>>>>> of favorable comments.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> because of the live view feature?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Live view was a significant criteria for me. With it, I can hold the
>>> camera above my head or low to the ground and get shots that I would
>>> have previously not been able to do.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes but to make live view really effective don't you think that Canon
>> should offer an articulating LCD like on the S5?
>>
>
> one more thing to break
>
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