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Paul

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:26 pm
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Canon 1Di rumour, which is presumably fake.
http://www.canonrumors.com/

Sounds like my kind of camera:
- 8.2 megapixel, APS-C size CMOS sensor, which features the same gapless
mircro lens array found in the new EOS-50D digital SLR. This results in
exceptional image quality and an amazing ISO range of 50 to 6400 with
extensions to ISO 25 and a highly usable ISO 12800.
- Pro AF (says it's new, but sounds the same as the 1D-III)
- Hopefully 100% viewfinder
- Hopefully not the size of a breeze block.

Marketing wise, I'm thinking it would need to be 10MP though. On paper
8.2MP sounds low when compared to what's around now-a-days, even though in
reality 8.2MP is enough for nearly a 15"x 10" print @ 240ppi (more than most
people currently use their camera's for). So, for a lot of people the only
thing they would really lose over say a 15MP sensor is cropability, but will
gain better high ISO performance/image quality instead. The million dollar
question would be though, how much better would the high ISO performance be?

To make a difference, I think noise would need to be 3 stops better than the
40D, so ISO 6400 would be equivelent to ISO 800 on a 40D. Sound crazy?
Well, Canon said that the noise levels on the 50D would be 1-1.5 stops
better than the 40D despite going to 15MP (not seen any conclusive
comparisons to confirm this yet), so that would mean that 3 stops should be
acheivable.

So, in conclusion, although I would imagine this article is fake, it does
actually make some sense. Many people have been thinking for a while,
there's a gap between the XXD and the 1D, particularly for
birders/nature/sports photographers who like the size/reach of the XXD
bodies, but lose out on other features like weather sealing and pro AF.
Nikon saw this nice little gap and brought out the D300 with pro features
like 100% viewfinder and high end AF to fit in there nicely. The 1D IV is
expected to be released at PMA, which I assume will be 15MP, so the 1Di
would effectively be a 7D, which is what's been missing.

All they need to do is include the option to shoot in DNG straight out of
the camera too and it'll be pretty spot on.



Copy of article below:


World’s fastest dSLR?
Submitted via email. There are press release elements and points in regards
to the press release. Someone spent a lot of time on this, or it’s real. You
decide.

What is Wardriving?
“Wardriving is the act of searching for Wi-Fi wireless networks by a person
in a moving vehicle, using a portable computer or PDA.” - Wiki

“I got this off a laptop while wardriving, there were no images. its
obviously a draft, but contains some good info.”

CANON U.S.A. BRINGS IN NEW PROFESSIONAL LINE, 8.2-MEGAPIXEL, 22 FPS, APS-C
EOS-1Di DIGITAL SLR EVOLUTION CONTINUED

Ultra-High FPS, New Eletronic Mirror, and Dual DIGIC 4 Image Processors
Powers the EOS-1Di Making It The World’s Fastest Digital SLR

LAKE SUCCESS, N.Y., November 4, 2008 - The new 8.2-megapixel, APS-C Canon
EOS-1Di Digital SLR camera brings the advantages of APS-C sensors to
professionals. At a mind blowing 22 frames per second, the EOS-1Di digital
SLR can fire huge eletronic-driven bursts of 320 Large JPEGs or 100 RAW
files because it employs the new Dual DIGIC 4 image processor engine,
providing enough computational horsepower to do parallel processing at a
rate unmatched by any other digital SLR. The all-new 8.2 megapixel, APS-C
size CMOS sensor which is designed and manufactured by Canon, is the most
light-sensitive and innovative sensor that Canon has developed to date. It
features the same gapless mircro lens array found in the new EOS-50D digital
SLR. This results in exceptional image quality and an amazing ISO range of
50 to 6400 with extensions to ISO 25 and a highly usable ISO 12800.

The Canon EOS-1Di digital SLR is scheduled to begin shipping in early
December and will have an estimated selling price of $2999. This makes the
new camera a stunning bargain and a “must have” for pro shooters looking to
add the versatility of a APS-C sensor to their line up.

“The new EOS-1Di digital SLR is an essential tool for professional sports
photographers and photojournalists because of its exceptional speed and
durability and it will attract a broad range of other professional and
advanced amateur photographers because of its superior image quality and
high low-light performance,” said Yuichi Ishizuka, senior vice president and
general manager of the Consumer Imaging Group at Canon U.S.A. Inc. “In
designing the EOS-1Di digital SLR, Canon responded to the requests of its
many professional customers by adding new features that cater to their
demanding needs. But at the same time, we have once again raised the bar for
digital SLR cameras by introducing new technologies that only Canon can
offer with the legendary EOS System.”

- I don’t like the use of APS-C. can we say it another way?
- we need to make another quote, this one was copied from previous release
- good start, just need to reword copied text

Evolved Mirror
- title has been selected, body need to be writen with following facts
- new eletronic mirror that is fixed in place
- eletronically controlled to make it transparent
- viewfinder is darken during continous shooting, not blacked out, also
useable with movie mode and live view
- sensor is sealed from dust, no more anti-dust system required, impossible
for dust to touch sensor
- negligible transmission loss due to light passing transparent mirror
- autofocus sensor alignment issues do not exist anymore
- eletronic mirror also replaces shutter, allows for shutters speeds up to
1/128,000 and no limits on x-sync
Developed and manufactured by Canon specifically for the EOS-1Di digital
SLR, the camera’s new fully eletronic mirror replaces what many thought was
unreplaceable.

- need a title and body to detail the advantages of 1.6x crop here

Dual “DIGIC 4″ Image Processors
Fulfilling the ultra-low noise, ultra-high image quality promise of the
EOS-1Di digital SLR camera requires handling the enormous signal processing
requirements of the camera’s 8.2-megapixel resolution and top continuous
shooting speed of 22 frames per second. To accomplish this, Canon has
incorporated two identical DIGIC 4 imaging engines into the camera for
parallel (and hence, faster) signal processing. The CMOS sensor reads out to
the dual “DIGIC 4″ processors simultaneously in eight channels. DIGIC 4 is
the next generation of Canon’s proprietary image processing engine. This
technology ensures the fine details and natural colors of images are
optimally recorded and, as an added bonus, is responsible for the EOS-1Di
SLR’s high-speed performance, faster signal processing and more efficient
energy consumption.

Adding to the improved virtuosity of the images captured by the EOS-1Di
digital SLR camera is the camera’s 16-bit Analog-to-Digital (A/D) conversion
process. Able to recognize 65,536 colors per channel (four times the number
of colors recognized by the EOS-1Ds Mark III Digital SLR camera’s 14-bit
conversion capability), this new model is able to produce images with finer
and more accurate gradations of tones and colors. Additionally, given the
significantly larger number of image file created when shooting at high
speed by the EOS-1Di digital SLR camera, Canon has provided compatibility
with the new Ultra Direct Memory Access (UDMA) compact flash memory card
specification, which enables ultra-high-speed data transfer to the card.
Utilizing a UDMA compliant card doubles the data transfer speed compared to
a conventional memory card, putting the new EOS-1Di Mark III on par with the
10 frames per second EOS-1D Mark III camera, even though the frame rate this
new model is more than twice as fast.

- UDMA isn’t new anymore, might need to remove or reduce

Advanced Autofocus Technology
The EOS-1Di autofocus system has 45 AF points including 19 high-precision
cross-type points and 26 Assist AF points. This new array allows the 19
cross-type points to be divided into groups of nine inner and nine outer
focusing points plus a center point, which makes picking an individual
focusing point much faster and easier than going through all 45. During
manual AF point selection, the AF point area is expandable in two stages via
Custom Function control.

Micro-adjustment feature allows for very fine changes in the AF point of
focus for each lens type in use, along with the addition of adjustable
focus-tracking sensitivity as another sophisticated new AF feature. Other
new components in the AF system include the brand new eletronic mirror and
the secondary image formation lens, both products of Canon’s vast expertise
in optical engineering. Finally, the low-light sensitivity of the new AF
sensor has been doubled to EV-1 for superior performance, compared with
earlier EOS digital SLRs.

- we should say something about how the AF is even better than the 1D Mark
III

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:26 pm
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Paul wrote:
> At a mind blowing 22 frames per second, the EOS-1Di
> digital SLR can fire huge eletronic-driven bursts of 320 Large JPEGs or
> 100 RAW files

That's video... short though.

> because it employs the new Dual DIGIC 4 image processor
> engine, providing enough computational horsepower to do parallel
> processing at a rate unmatched by any other digital SLR. The all-new 8.2
> megapixel, APS-C size CMOS sensor which is designed and manufactured by
> Canon, is the most light-sensitive and innovative sensor that Canon has
> developed to date. It features the same gapless mircro lens array found
> in the new EOS-50D digital SLR. This results in exceptional image
> quality and an amazing ISO range of 50 to 6400 with extensions to ISO 25
> and a highly usable ISO 12800.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:34 am
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:39:42 -0700, Paul Furman wrote:

> Paul wrote:
>> At a mind blowing 22 frames per second, the EOS-1Di digital SLR can
>> fire huge eletronic-driven bursts of 320 Large JPEGs or 100 RAW files
>
> That's video... short though.
>
>> because it employs the new Dual DIGIC 4 image processor engine,
>> providing enough computational horsepower to do parallel processing at
>> a rate unmatched by any other digital SLR. The all-new 8.2 megapixel,
>> APS-C size CMOS sensor which is designed and manufactured by Canon, is
>> the most light-sensitive and innovative sensor that Canon has developed
>> to date. It features the same gapless mircro lens array found in the
>> new EOS-50D digital SLR. This results in exceptional image quality and
>> an amazing ISO range of 50 to 6400 with extensions to ISO 25 and a
>> highly usable ISO 12800.

And the article he is quoting is more than a fortnight in the future.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:57 am
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 05:34:48 -0500, Neil Ellwood
<cral.elllwood2.DeleteThis@bt.openworld.com> wrote:
: On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:39:42 -0700, Paul Furman wrote:
:
: > Paul wrote:
: >> At a mind blowing 22 frames per second, the EOS-1Di digital SLR can
: >> fire huge eletronic-driven bursts of 320 Large JPEGs or 100 RAW files
: >
: > That's video... short though.
: >
: >> because it employs the new Dual DIGIC 4 image processor engine,
: >> providing enough computational horsepower to do parallel processing at
: >> a rate unmatched by any other digital SLR. The all-new 8.2 megapixel,
: >> APS-C size CMOS sensor which is designed and manufactured by Canon, is
: >> the most light-sensitive and innovative sensor that Canon has developed
: >> to date. It features the same gapless mircro lens array found in the
: >> new EOS-50D digital SLR. This results in exceptional image quality and
: >> an amazing ISO range of 50 to 6400 with extensions to ISO 25 and a
: >> highly usable ISO 12800.
:
: And the article he is quoting is more than a fortnight in the future.

That just says that the putative press release is planned for November 4 (an
odd choice of date, to be sure, since it's Election Day in the U.S.).

I think a stronger argument against the authenticity of the memo is that it's
very difficult to swipe any file off of a laptop while wardriving, even if the
owner of the laptop is a clueless doofus. The probability that a wardriver
could have poached such an important memo is vanishingly small. Remember that
Canon, above most other camera manufacturers, is renowned for its secrecy
regarding upcoming products.

Bob
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:57 am
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Robert Coe wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 05:34:48 -0500, Neil Ellwood
> <cral.elllwood2.DeleteThis@bt.openworld.com> wrote:
> : On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:39:42 -0700, Paul Furman wrote:
> :
> : > Paul wrote:
> : >> At a mind blowing 22 frames per second, the EOS-1Di digital SLR can
> : >> fire huge eletronic-driven bursts of 320 Large JPEGs or 100 RAW files
> : >
> : > That's video... short though.
> : >
> : >> because it employs the new Dual DIGIC 4 image processor engine,
> : >> providing enough computational horsepower to do parallel processing at
> : >> a rate unmatched by any other digital SLR. The all-new 8.2 megapixel,
> : >> APS-C size CMOS sensor which is designed and manufactured by Canon, is
> : >> the most light-sensitive and innovative sensor that Canon has developed
> : >> to date. It features the same gapless mircro lens array found in the
> : >> new EOS-50D digital SLR. This results in exceptional image quality and
> : >> an amazing ISO range of 50 to 6400 with extensions to ISO 25 and a
> : >> highly usable ISO 12800.
> :
> : And the article he is quoting is more than a fortnight in the future.
>
> That just says that the putative press release is planned for November 4 (an
> odd choice of date, to be sure, since it's Election Day in the U.S.).
>
> I think a stronger argument against the authenticity of the memo is that it's
> very difficult to swipe any file off of a laptop while wardriving, even if the
> owner of the laptop is a clueless doofus. The probability that a wardriver
> could have poached such an important memo is vanishingly small. Remember that
> Canon, above most other camera manufacturers, is renowned for its secrecy
> regarding upcoming products.

Agree with this. Can you say "encryption"??

Just to be safe, though, I've placed a pre-order for two at B 'n' H.....

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:25 pm
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"Paul" <a.RemoveThis@a.com> wrote in
news:lc6dnbdUYvD1E2fVnZ2dnUVZ8jqdnZ2d@pipex.net:

> Marketing wise, I'm thinking it would need to be 10MP though. On
> paper 8.2MP sounds low when compared to what's around now-a-days, even
> though in reality 8.2MP is enough for nearly a 15"x 10" print @ 240ppi
> (more than most people currently use their camera's for). So, for a
> lot of people the only thing they would really lose over say a 15MP
> sensor is cropability, but will gain better high ISO performance/image
> quality instead. The million dollar question would be though, how
> much better would the high ISO performance be?

A tiny bit better than the 20D/30D, due to the better microlenses. I
wouldn't expect much else. There have been no major advances in pixel-
level high-ISO read noise at Canon recently, except in the mk3 cameras,
but they have a better budget to work with. The 50D only has slightly
less noise than the 40D, integrated over the entire image.

> To make a difference, I think noise would need to be 3 stops better
> than the 40D, so ISO 6400 would be equivelent to ISO 800 on a 40D.
> Sound crazy? Well, Canon said that the noise levels on the 50D would
> be 1-1.5 stops better than the 40D despite going to 15MP (not seen any
> conclusive comparisons to confirm this yet), so that would mean that 3
> stops should be acheivable.

Canon is full of marketing manure, as corporations often are. The 50D is
just a tad cleaner than the 40D at the image level, and slightly noisier
for the 100% pixel viewers. Nowhere near 1/2 stop, no less 1.5 stops.

The resolution is the big plus for the 50D. Noise-wise, it has barely
more than maintained over the 40D.
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John Sheehy wrote:
> "Paul" <a.RemoveThis@a.com> wrote in
> news:lc6dnbdUYvD1E2fVnZ2dnUVZ8jqdnZ2d@pipex.net:
>
>> Marketing wise, I'm thinking it would need to be 10MP though. On
>> paper 8.2MP sounds low when compared to what's around now-a-days, even
>> though in reality 8.2MP is enough for nearly a 15"x 10" print @ 240ppi
>> (more than most people currently use their camera's for). So, for a
>> lot of people the only thing they would really lose over say a 15MP
>> sensor is cropability, but will gain better high ISO performance/image
>> quality instead. The million dollar question would be though, how
>> much better would the high ISO performance be?
>
> A tiny bit better than the 20D/30D, due to the better microlenses. I
> wouldn't expect much else. There have been no major advances in pixel-
> level high-ISO read noise at Canon recently, except in the mk3 cameras,
> but they have a better budget to work with. The 50D only has slightly
> less noise than the 40D, integrated over the entire image.
>
>> To make a difference, I think noise would need to be 3 stops better
>> than the 40D, so ISO 6400 would be equivelent to ISO 800 on a 40D.
>> Sound crazy? Well, Canon said that the noise levels on the 50D would
>> be 1-1.5 stops better than the 40D despite going to 15MP (not seen any
>> conclusive comparisons to confirm this yet), so that would mean that 3
>> stops should be acheivable.
>
> Canon is full of marketing manure, as corporations often are. The 50D is
> just a tad cleaner than the 40D at the image level, and slightly noisier
> for the 100% pixel viewers. Nowhere near 1/2 stop, no less 1.5 stops.
>
> The resolution is the big plus for the 50D. Noise-wise, it has barely
> more than maintained over the 40D.

How would you say it compares with the ancient 20D?

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John McWilliams <jpmcw.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in
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> How would you say it compares with the ancient 20D?

Well, I just went from the 30D (same sensor and electronics as the 20D) to
the 50D. I haven't made any real measurements of their relative
sensitivities yet, to scale the digital noise into perspective, but I would
say that I'm happier with the 50D. The thing that annoys me most about
high ISO in the Canon xxD series is that they seem to do almost nothing to
reduce the horizontal banding in the images, which, I know for a fact, can
be very easily reduced to an extent in software, and could be done to a
great extent, if not in the signal chain, at least by masking more pixels,
on all four edges of the sensor, from light. The banding is very apparent
at H1 and H2, but at ISOs 1600 to 3200, the banding in my 50D seems to be a
bit less than in the 30D, when resizing the embedded JPEG images in the
RAWs to monitor height (1050 pixels) with Lanczos.
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John Sheehy wrote:
> John McWilliams <jpmcw.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:VsOdnUrTv9bVhpzUnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> How would you say it compares with the ancient 20D?
>
> Well, I just went from the 30D (same sensor and electronics as the 20D) to
> the 50D. I haven't made any real measurements of their relative
> sensitivities yet, to scale the digital noise into perspective, but I would
> say that I'm happier with the 50D. The thing that annoys me most about
> high ISO in the Canon xxD series is that they seem to do almost nothing to
> reduce the horizontal banding in the images, which, I know for a fact, can
> be very easily reduced to an extent in software, and could be done to a
> great extent, if not in the signal chain, at least by masking more pixels,
> on all four edges of the sensor, from light. The banding is very apparent
> at H1 and H2, but at ISOs 1600 to 3200, the banding in my 50D seems to be a
> bit less than in the 30D, when resizing the embedded JPEG images in the
> RAWs to monitor height (1050 pixels) with Lanczos.

Thanks, John. What software are you using on these? What's the purpose
of testing on the embedded JPEGs; is it a yardstick for what you can do
with the RAW image?

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John McWilliams <jpmcw.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in
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> Thanks, John. What software are you using on these? What's the purpose
> of testing on the embedded JPEGs; is it a yardstick for what you can do
> with the RAW image?

The viewing software is Irfanview. I always view and cull embedded JPEGs
in Irfanview, to see how the shots came out.

The embedded JPEGs are not "Fine" quality, but I can see major flaws in the
image, and they are more than sufficient for downsamples in many cases with
good exposure and WB.

JPEGs are not going to hide banding, unless high NR is used.

The weather is lousy today, so maybe I will get a chance to do straight RAW
comparisons between my 30D and 50D with equal manual exposure, and the same
tripod-mounted lens (300mm f/4L). I was going to go to a museum today and
use the new 50D, but I was there recently and the noise levels will not be
significantly lower than the 30D. If I get the 5D2, then the trip to the
museum will be much more exciting, I think.
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John Sheehy wrote:
> John McWilliams <jpmcw.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:ZdGdnbP1cslbjZ_UnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> Thanks, John. What software are you using on these? What's the purpose
>> of testing on the embedded JPEGs; is it a yardstick for what you can do
>> with the RAW image?
>
> The viewing software is Irfanview. I always view and cull embedded JPEGs
> in Irfanview, to see how the shots came out.
>
> The embedded JPEGs are not "Fine" quality, but I can see major flaws in the
> image, and they are more than sufficient for downsamples in many cases with
> good exposure and WB.
>
> JPEGs are not going to hide banding, unless high NR is used.
>
> The weather is lousy today, so maybe I will get a chance to do straight RAW
> comparisons between my 30D and 50D with equal manual exposure, and the same
> tripod-mounted lens (300mm f/4L). I was going to go to a museum today and
> use the new 50D, but I was there recently and the noise levels will not be
> significantly lower than the 30D. If I get the 5D2, then the trip to the
> museum will be much more exciting, I think.

Oh, yeah! You can, as I know you know, video the climb up the steps in HD!

I look forward to your conclusions on the RAW testing!

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