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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA Archived from groups: rec>photo>digital (more info?)

I currently have an old Sony DSC F-707 but am looking for an excellent camera for Weddings, Qunceaneras, etc. I adore my F-707 and love Sony products for durability and low repair issues, but had a bit of trouble with inadequate speed and flash. I've looked at the Sony Alpha and am tempted. This means I need to learn a bit more about the lenses etc. which is daunting, but a logical jump from point & shoot to a more professional (or prosumer) camera. Any suggestions on this purchase? I'd like to narrow it down to 10 MP and above. Thank for any input! Cheers--- Austinite >> Stay informed about: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

cspt2.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net wrote on Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:09:47 -0700: c> I adore my F-707 and love Sony products for durability and c> low repair issues, but had a bit of trouble with inadequate c> speed and flash. c> I've looked at the Sony Alpha and am tempted. This means I c> need to learn a bit more about the lenses etc. which is c> daunting, but a logical jump from point & shoot to a more c> professional (or prosumer) camera. c> Any suggestions on this purchase? I'd like to narrow it c> down to 10 MP and above. c> Thank for any input! I would add the question: "What's the screen like in bright ambient light like out of doors on a sunny day?" That has become important as automatic cameras omit an optical viewfinder. James Silverton Potomac, Maryland E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not >> Stay informed about: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

<cspt2.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:1183741787.637066.286220@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >I currently have an old Sony DSC F-707 but am looking for an excellent > camera for Weddings, Qunceaneras, etc. > > I adore my F-707 and love Sony products for durability and low repair > issues, but had a bit of trouble with inadequate speed and flash. > > I've looked at the Sony Alpha and am tempted. This means I need to > learn a bit more about the lenses etc. which is daunting, but a > logical jump from point & shoot to a more professional (or prosumer) > camera. > > Any suggestions on this purchase? I'd like to narrow it down to 10 MP > and above. If you like Sony products, then the Alpha would be a logical choice for you. I assume you have checked it out: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra100/ You will find the speed much better and more flash options. There are over 20 lenses to choose from ... that might be good or bad! >> Stay informed about: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.RemoveThis@verizon.not> wrote in message news:Zjvji.17$YH3.11@trnddc08... > cspt2.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net wrote on Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:09:47 -0700: > > c> I adore my F-707 and love Sony products for durability and > c> low repair issues, but had a bit of trouble with inadequate > c> speed and flash. > > c> I've looked at the Sony Alpha and am tempted. This means I > c> need to learn a bit more about the lenses etc. which is > c> daunting, but a logical jump from point & shoot to a more > c> professional (or prosumer) camera. > > c> Any suggestions on this purchase? I'd like to narrow it > c> down to 10 MP and above. > > c> Thank for any input! > > I would add the question: "What's the screen like in bright ambient light > like out of doors on a sunny day?" That has become important as automatic > cameras omit an optical viewfinder. > > James Silverton > Potomac, Maryland > > E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not He wants a D-SLR, they all have viewfinders. >> Stay informed about: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Potomac, Maryland "Pete D" <Doug.RemoveThis@is.a.moron.com> wrote in message news:468ebda2$0$12801$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au... > > "James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.RemoveThis@verizon.not> wrote in > message news:Zjvji.17$YH3.11@trnddc08... >> cspt2.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net wrote on Fri, 06 Jul 2007 >> 10:09:47 -0700: >> >> c> I adore my F-707 and love Sony products for durability and >> c> low repair issues, but had a bit of trouble with >> inadequate >> c> speed and flash. >> >> c> I've looked at the Sony Alpha and am tempted. This means >> I >> c> need to learn a bit more about the lenses etc. which is >> c> daunting, but a logical jump from point & shoot to a more >> c> professional (or prosumer) camera. >> >> c> Any suggestions on this purchase? I'd like to narrow it >> c> down to 10 MP and above. >> >> c> Thank for any input! >> >> I would add the question: "What's the screen like in bright >> ambient light like out of doors on a sunny day?" That has >> become important as automatic cameras omit an optical >> viewfinder. >> >> James Silverton >> Potomac, Maryland >> >> E-mail, with obvious alterations: >> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not > > He wants a D-SLR, they all have viewfinders. Very probably from the context but I was not aware that "prosumer" was a synonym for DSLR. -- Jim Silverton >> Stay informed about: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.DeleteThis@verizon.not> wrote in message news:3ozji.337$mS3.71@trnddc03... > Potomac, Maryland > "Pete D" <Doug.DeleteThis@is.a.moron.com> wrote in message > news:468ebda2$0$12801$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au... >> >> "James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.DeleteThis@verizon.not> wrote in message >> news:Zjvji.17$YH3.11@trnddc08... >>> cspt2.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net wrote on Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:09:47 -0700: >>> >>> c> I adore my F-707 and love Sony products for durability and >>> c> low repair issues, but had a bit of trouble with inadequate >>> c> speed and flash. >>> >>> c> I've looked at the Sony Alpha and am tempted. This means I >>> c> need to learn a bit more about the lenses etc. which is >>> c> daunting, but a logical jump from point & shoot to a more >>> c> professional (or prosumer) camera. >>> >>> c> Any suggestions on this purchase? I'd like to narrow it >>> c> down to 10 MP and above. >>> >>> c> Thank for any input! >>> >>> I would add the question: "What's the screen like in bright ambient >>> light like out of doors on a sunny day?" That has become important as >>> automatic cameras omit an optical viewfinder. >>> >>> James Silverton >>> Potomac, Maryland >>> >>> E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not >> >> He wants a D-SLR, they all have viewfinders. > Very probably from the context but I was not aware that "prosumer" was a > synonym for DSLR. > He mentioned the Sony Alpha and lenses! Cheers. Pete >> Stay informed about: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:30:23 GMT, "James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.RemoveThis@verizon.not> wrote: : Potomac, Maryland : "Pete D" <Doug.RemoveThis@is.a.moron.com> wrote in message : news:468ebda2$0$12801$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au... : > : > "James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.RemoveThis@verizon.not> wrote in : > message news:Zjvji.17$YH3.11@trnddc08... : >> cspt2.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net wrote on Fri, 06 Jul 2007 : >> 10:09:47 -0700: : >> : >> c> I adore my F-707 and love Sony products for durability and : >> c> low repair issues, but had a bit of trouble with : >> inadequate : >> c> speed and flash. : >> : >> c> I've looked at the Sony Alpha and am tempted. This means : >> I : >> c> need to learn a bit more about the lenses etc. which is : >> c> daunting, but a logical jump from point & shoot to a more : >> c> professional (or prosumer) camera. : >> : >> c> Any suggestions on this purchase? I'd like to narrow it : >> c> down to 10 MP and above. : >> : >> c> Thank for any input! : >> : >> I would add the question: "What's the screen like in bright : >> ambient light like out of doors on a sunny day?" That has : >> become important as automatic cameras omit an optical : >> viewfinder. : >> : >> James Silverton : >> Potomac, Maryland : >> : >> E-mail, with obvious alterations: : >> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not : > : > He wants a D-SLR, they all have viewfinders. : Very probably from the context but I was not aware that : "prosumer" was a synonym for DSLR. Is a PROsumer the opposite of a CONsumer? >> Stay informed about: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA [Login to view extended thread Info.] Imported from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:12 am Post subject: Re: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Charles" <charlesschuler.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message news:JpednRuQeJhuPBPbnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@comcast.com... > > <cspt2.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:1183741787.637066.286220@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>I currently have an old Sony DSC F-707 but am looking for an excellent >> camera for Weddings, Qunceaneras, etc. >> >> I adore my F-707 and love Sony products for durability and low repair >> issues, but had a bit of trouble with inadequate speed and flash. >> >> I've looked at the Sony Alpha and am tempted. This means I need to >> learn a bit more about the lenses etc. which is daunting, but a >> logical jump from point & shoot to a more professional (or prosumer) >> camera. >> >> Any suggestions on this purchase? I'd like to narrow it down to 10 MP >> and above. > > If you like Sony products, then the Alpha would be a logical choice for > you. I assume you have checked it out: > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra100/ > > You will find the speed much better and more flash options. There are > over 20 lenses to choose from ... that might be good or bad! The Alpha is built pretty light and does not seem very solid to me, the lens choices are limited and generall expensive. Personally I would choose any other brand of D-SLR. Have a look at DP Review as a starting point keeping in mind that the reviewer there prefers Nikon and Canon over all others no matter how good others are. >> Stay informed about: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: Re: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"SayWhat" <spamless.TakeThisOut@anon.com> wrote in message news:3p5u83dcrv75973gskmb46brtq4n9se4nu@4ax.com... > On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:50:22 -0400, Robert Coe <bob.TakeThisOut@1776.COM> wrote: > >>On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:30:23 GMT, "James Silverton" >><not.jim.silverton.TakeThisOut@verizon.not> wrote: >>: Potomac, Maryland >>: "Pete D" <Doug.TakeThisOut@is.a.moron.com> wrote in message >>: news:468ebda2$0$12801$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au... >>: > >>: > "James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.TakeThisOut@verizon.not> wrote in >>: > message news:Zjvji.17$YH3.11@trnddc08... >>: >> cspt2.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net wrote on Fri, 06 Jul 2007 >>: >> 10:09:47 -0700: >>: >> >>: >> c> I adore my F-707 and love Sony products for durability and >>: >> c> low repair issues, but had a bit of trouble with >>: >> inadequate >>: >> c> speed and flash. >>: >> >>: >> c> I've looked at the Sony Alpha and am tempted. This means >>: >> I >>: >> c> need to learn a bit more about the lenses etc. which is >>: >> c> daunting, but a logical jump from point & shoot to a more >>: >> c> professional (or prosumer) camera. >>: >> >>: >> c> Any suggestions on this purchase? I'd like to narrow it >>: >> c> down to 10 MP and above. >>: >> >>: >> c> Thank for any input! >>: >> >>: >> I would add the question: "What's the screen like in bright >>: >> ambient light like out of doors on a sunny day?" That has >>: >> become important as automatic cameras omit an optical >>: >> viewfinder. >>: >> >>: >> James Silverton >>: >> Potomac, Maryland >>: >> >>: >> E-mail, with obvious alterations: >>: >> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not >>: > >>: > He wants a D-SLR, they all have viewfinders. >>: Very probably from the context but I was not aware that >>: "prosumer" was a synonym for DSLR. >> >>Is a PROsumer the opposite of a CONsumer? > > Just about. Prosumer was coined as a marketing term to peddle mediocre > hardware > at higher prices, (or by very insecure wannabe photographers who think > that the > cost of their camera will make them a better photographer, or at the very > least > impress the less intelligent). Prosumer used to mean the high-end P&S > camera. > Insecure DLSR owners didn't want 100% digital cameras that were just as > good > creeping into their territory, so they tried to coin the term "bridge > camera" > for them. But the ONLY true "bridge camera" is the DSLR, marrying digital > capabilities to last century's light-path design and awkward lenses This > ends up > severely limiting what can be done in a 100% digital camera (high-end P&S > cameras). The only true "digital cameras" are those that do not depend on > the > SLR's ancient light-path, noisy image-jarring mechanical shutter (with its > inherent speed and synchronization limitations and short life-span), > frequently > exposing the imaging chip to the elements (constant dust on the sensor), > ungainly overpriced overweight lenses, etc. etc. etc. But they still buy > them > and call them Pro cameras because they think that's what will make them a > better > photographer. The camera company CEO's wealth depends on the lack of > talent and > insecurity in the people that keep buying the next one and the next batch > of > overpriced lenses. Always in the hopes that if they just had the right > camera > and the right lenses it will finally make them into a photographer. > > But I digress. > More like "Ramble" Exactly how many real Professional Photographers, (those who earn their living), use non SLR cameras?? Not a lot !! They are not into trying to impress the audience with their Gear, they just want the best results they can get, and choose the tools which can give them that. They don't treat their Cameras as "Precious", like so many Amateurs do, they just get on with making them do the job and replace them when they begin to wear out. If they could get the same results from P & S cameras, as you seem to imply, that is what they would use. Roy G >> Stay informed about: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Pete D wrote: > > "James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.RemoveThis@verizon.not> wrote in message <edited, for brevity> > > I would add the question: "What's the screen like in bright ambient light > > like out of doors on a sunny day?" That has become important as automatic > > cameras omit an optical viewfinder. > > > > James Silverton > > > He wants a D-SLR, they all have viewfinders. Hello, Pete: And every prosumer, P&S "super zoom" camera features an EVF (electronic viewfinder), in addition to a regular LCD panel. Cordially, John Turco <jtur.RemoveThis@concentric.net> >> Stay informed about: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:55 am Post subject: Re: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

cspt2 DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net wrote: > I currently have an old Sony DSC F-707 but am looking for an excellent > camera for Weddings, Qunceaneras, etc. > > I adore my F-707 and love Sony products for durability and low repair > issues, but had a bit of trouble with inadequate speed and flash. > > I've looked at the Sony Alpha and am tempted. This means I need to > learn a bit more about the lenses etc. which is daunting, but a > logical jump from point & shoot to a more professional (or prosumer) > camera. > > Any suggestions on this purchase? I'd like to narrow it down to 10 MP > and above. > > Thank for any input! > > Cheers--- Austinite > Hmmm, Lumix DMC-FZ50? I am reasonably happy with DMC-FZ8. Also I carry Finepix F40fd in my pocket. And ig gun is Canon dSLR with several lens I can borrow from my kid. If I am not mistaken Alpha was off spring of Minolta dSLR. >> Stay informed about: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:55 am Post subject: Re: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Roy G wrote: > "SayWhat" <spamless DeleteThis @anon.com> wrote in message > news:3p5u83dcrv75973gskmb46brtq4n9se4nu@4ax.com... > >>On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:50:22 -0400, Robert Coe <bob DeleteThis @1776.COM> wrote: >> >> >>>On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:30:23 GMT, "James Silverton" >>><not.jim.silverton DeleteThis @verizon.not> wrote: >>>: Potomac, Maryland >>>: "Pete D" <Doug DeleteThis @is.a.moron.com> wrote in message >>>: news:468ebda2$0$12801$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au... >>>: > >>>: > "James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton DeleteThis @verizon.not> wrote in >>>: > message news:Zjvji.17$YH3.11@trnddc08... >>>: >> cspt2 DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net wrote on Fri, 06 Jul 2007 >>>: >> 10:09:47 -0700: >>>: >> >>>: >> c> I adore my F-707 and love Sony products for durability and >>>: >> c> low repair issues, but had a bit of trouble with >>>: >> inadequate >>>: >> c> speed and flash. >>>: >> >>>: >> c> I've looked at the Sony Alpha and am tempted. This means >>>: >> I >>>: >> c> need to learn a bit more about the lenses etc. which is >>>: >> c> daunting, but a logical jump from point & shoot to a more >>>: >> c> professional (or prosumer) camera. >>>: >> >>>: >> c> Any suggestions on this purchase? I'd like to narrow it >>>: >> c> down to 10 MP and above. >>>: >> >>>: >> c> Thank for any input! >>>: >> >>>: >> I would add the question: "What's the screen like in bright >>>: >> ambient light like out of doors on a sunny day?" That has >>>: >> become important as automatic cameras omit an optical >>>: >> viewfinder. >>>: >> >>>: >> James Silverton >>>: >> Potomac, Maryland >>>: >> >>>: >> E-mail, with obvious alterations: >>>: >> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not >>>: > >>>: > He wants a D-SLR, they all have viewfinders. >>>: Very probably from the context but I was not aware that >>>: "prosumer" was a synonym for DSLR. >>> >>>Is a PROsumer the opposite of a CONsumer? >> >>Just about. Prosumer was coined as a marketing term to peddle mediocre >>hardware >>at higher prices, (or by very insecure wannabe photographers who think >>that the >>cost of their camera will make them a better photographer, or at the very >>least >>impress the less intelligent). Prosumer used to mean the high-end P&S >>camera. >>Insecure DLSR owners didn't want 100% digital cameras that were just as >>good >>creeping into their territory, so they tried to coin the term "bridge >>camera" >>for them. But the ONLY true "bridge camera" is the DSLR, marrying digital >>capabilities to last century's light-path design and awkward lenses This >>ends up >>severely limiting what can be done in a 100% digital camera (high-end P&S >>cameras). The only true "digital cameras" are those that do not depend on >>the >>SLR's ancient light-path, noisy image-jarring mechanical shutter (with its >>inherent speed and synchronization limitations and short life-span), >>frequently >>exposing the imaging chip to the elements (constant dust on the sensor), >>ungainly overpriced overweight lenses, etc. etc. etc. But they still buy >>them >>and call them Pro cameras because they think that's what will make them a >>better >>photographer. The camera company CEO's wealth depends on the lack of >>talent and >>insecurity in the people that keep buying the next one and the next batch >>of >>overpriced lenses. Always in the hopes that if they just had the right >>camera >>and the right lenses it will finally make them into a photographer. >> >>But I digress. >> > > > More like "Ramble" > > Exactly how many real Professional Photographers, (those who earn their > living), use non SLR cameras?? > > Not a lot !! > > They are not into trying to impress the audience with their Gear, they just > want the best results they can get, and choose the tools which can give them > that. > > They don't treat their Cameras as "Precious", like so many Amateurs do, they > just get on with making them do the job and replace them when they begin to > wear out. > > If they could get the same results from P & S cameras, as you seem to imply, > that is what they would use. > > Roy G > > Hi, It's only a TOOL! >> Stay informed about: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: Re: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:16:27 GMT, Tony Hwang wrote: > Hi, > It's only a TOOL! The TOOL is on the left. The TROLL is on the right. >> Stay informed about: CHOOSING A PROSUMER DIGITAL CAMERA

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