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Chris Savage

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Since: Sep 18, 2007
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(Msg. 46) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:54 am
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On 2007-11-15, Bill Again <sd.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote:
>
> [...] Look at her photographs of Orson
> Welles, Samuel Becket, Truman Capote, Evelyn Waugh, Margaret Thatcher or any
> of the many others and then tell me you can criticise her for not
> remembering when she bought a camera.
>

Look at her photographs and tell me that she, as she disingenuously
claims, has no idea how to operate a camera or judge exposure. But she
wants us to believe that she is some natural artistic wonder who just
intuits these things. It smacks of desparation to me, putting up this
mythical barrier to entry of the profession by spreading this lie that
technique is neither learnable nor necessary.

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Chris Malcolm

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(Msg. 47) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:55 pm
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In rec.photo.digital Chris Savage <spam.goes.here RemoveThis @devnull.savvo.co.uk> wrote:
> ["Followup-To:" header set to rec.photo.digital.]
> On 2007-11-15, Bill Again <sd RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> [...] Look at her photographs of Orson
>> Welles, Samuel Becket, Truman Capote, Evelyn Waugh, Margaret Thatcher or any
>> of the many others and then tell me you can criticise her for not
>> remembering when she bought a camera.

> Look at her photographs and tell me that she, as she disingenuously
> claims, has no idea how to operate a camera or judge exposure. But she
> wants us to believe that she is some natural artistic wonder who just
> intuits these things. It smacks of desparation to me, putting up this
> mythical barrier to entry of the profession by spreading this lie that
> technique is neither learnable nor necessary.

In the days when Jane Bown was learning her photography skills it was
not unusual for professionals to guess exposures rather than meter
them. Many articles were written about ways of guessing exposure. If
you were uncertain you'd bracket the exposure. Some got good enough at
guessing that they never bothered to buy a light meter, even when they
became cheap.

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J. Taylor

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(Msg. 48) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:55 am
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On 16 Nov 2007 20:22:56 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam.DeleteThis@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

>In rec.photo.digital Chris Savage <spam.goes.here.DeleteThis@devnull.savvo.co.uk> wrote:
>> ["Followup-To:" header set to rec.photo.digital.]
>> On 2007-11-15, Bill Again <sd.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...] Look at her photographs of Orson
>>> Welles, Samuel Becket, Truman Capote, Evelyn Waugh, Margaret Thatcher or any
>>> of the many others and then tell me you can criticise her for not
>>> remembering when she bought a camera.
>
>> Look at her photographs and tell me that she, as she disingenuously
>> claims, has no idea how to operate a camera or judge exposure. But she
>> wants us to believe that she is some natural artistic wonder who just
>> intuits these things. It smacks of desparation to me, putting up this
>> mythical barrier to entry of the profession by spreading this lie that
>> technique is neither learnable nor necessary.
>
>In the days when Jane Bown was learning her photography skills it was
>not unusual for professionals to guess exposures rather than meter
>them. Many articles were written about ways of guessing exposure. If
>you were uncertain you'd bracket the exposure. Some got good enough at
>guessing that they never bothered to buy a light meter, even when they
>became cheap.

This is how I know when to disagree with my camera's chosen exposure settings.
I'm invariably right. Those who have to depend on what some electronics tells
them all the time will never know how to get it right, not just for exposure
settings either.
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John Turco

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(Msg. 49) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:01 pm
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Bill Again wrote:

<edited for brevity>

> Here's a quote about Jane Bown's career so far....
>
> "The Observer published its first Jane Bown photograph in December 1949,
> beginning a romance between Britain's oldest Sunday paper and the country's
> most loved photographer that still flourishes.

<edited>

Hello, Bill:

Britain's "most loved photographer," eh?

Wow, what a ringing endorsement, >that< is! Very Happy


Cordially,
John Turco <jtur DeleteThis @concentric.net>
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