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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:11 am
Post subject: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras
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The other day, I saw the new Sony P&S camera - DSC H3. On top of the
camera, it was indicated that it has a strong built in flash. I went
to search about built-in flash feature in a digital camera at the
dpreview website and found the following:
For P&S digital cameras: Canon G7 has a weak flash, Flash guide of 4m.
Canon S51S is stronger. Sony H3 has a Flash guide no. of 7m, while as
Sony DSC H7 or H9 is the strongest I found for P&S camera - Flash
Guide of 9.8m. Canon SX100 is even worse than the G7/G9 - at only 3m.
Lumix Fz18/FZ8 has a flash guide of 6m, and FZ50 has 7m. Nikon 5100 is
much better than G7/G9 at 8m.
For DSLR: Most cameras with built-in flash has Flash Guide around
11-13m. Canon 5D does not even have a built-in flash. Surprisingly,
Nikon D40 and D40x has flash guide no. of 17m. As comparison, Canon
40D/30D/Xti all have only a flash guide of 12m.
- Why P&S cameras have relatively weaker built-in flash than the DSLR?
Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger built-in flash like a
DSLR?
- I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take picture in
large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc). Could this be improved
by stronger flash? I have always complained in the past that most P&S
cameras have tiny built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot
improve your lighting in indoor shots.
- Anyone tried the built-in flash in Sony H3 or Sony H7 and H9?. Are
they much better than flash in other cameras, particularly the low
ones like Canon G7/SX100? Does this mean that Sony H3/H7/H9 is
superior for taking photo indoors for people in a group than, say
Canon G7/G9? I found that Sony H3 is a good competitor against Canon
G7/G9 or Nikon P5100. It may have less features than G7/G9, but it
makes good quality images and it is cheaper than a G7/G9. It is also
as compact as a G7/G9 or Nikon P5100.
- Is built in flash in Nikon D40x really stronger than flash in a
Canon Xti?
- How much difference are relatively between a Flash Guide of 3m, 7m,
12m and 17m ? I assume that this is all based on ASA100? Does a flash
guide 17m mean that you can get a good coverage of flash to 17m
distance?
- Panasonic Lumix L1 is about the only DSLR camera that has extended
pop-up flash feature (ie. 2 level heights). What is the advantage of
this? Less red-eye images?
- Are there digital cameras (P&S or DSLR) which have two or more modes
of flash strength in their built in flash?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:01 am
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On Nov 12, 10:11 am, anira....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> The other day, I saw the new Sony P&S camera - DSC H3. On top of the
> camera, it was indicated that it has a strong built in flash. I went
> to search about built-in flash feature in a digital camera at the
> dpreview website and found the following:
> For P&S digital cameras: Canon G7 has a weak flash, Flash guide of 4m.
> Canon S51S is stronger. Sony H3 has a Flash guide no. of 7m, while as
> Sony DSC H7 or H9 is the strongest I found for P&S camera - Flash
> Guide of 9.8m. Canon SX100 is even worse than the G7/G9 - at only 3m.
> Lumix Fz18/FZ8 has a flash guide of 6m, and FZ50 has 7m. Nikon 5100 is
> much better than G7/G9 at 8m.
> For DSLR: Most cameras with built-in flash has Flash Guide around
> 11-13m. Canon 5D does not even have a built-in flash. Surprisingly,
> Nikon D40 and D40x has flash guide no. of 17m. As comparison, Canon
> 40D/30D/Xti all have only a flash guide of 12m.
> - Why P&S cameras have relatively weaker built-in flash than the DSLR?
> Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger built-in flash like a
> DSLR?
> - I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take picture in
> large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc). Could this be improved
> by stronger flash? I have always complained in the past that most P&S
> cameras have tiny built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot
> improve your lighting in indoor shots.
> - Anyone tried the built-in flash in Sony H3 or Sony H7 and H9?. Are
> they much better than flash in other cameras, particularly the low
> ones like Canon G7/SX100? Does this mean that Sony H3/H7/H9 is
> superior for taking photo indoors for people in a group than, say
> Canon G7/G9? I found that Sony H3 is a good competitor against Canon
> G7/G9 or Nikon P5100. It may have less features than G7/G9, but it
> makes good quality images and it is cheaper than a G7/G9. It is also
> as compact as a G7/G9 or Nikon P5100.
> - Is built in flash in Nikon D40x really stronger than flash in a
> Canon Xti?
> - How much difference are relatively between a Flash Guide of 3m, 7m,
> 12m and 17m ? I assume that this is all based on ASA100? Does a flash
> guide 17m mean that you can get a good coverage of flash to 17m
> distance?
> - Panasonic Lumix L1 is about the only DSLR camera that has extended
> pop-up flash feature (ie. 2 level heights). What is the advantage of
> this? Less red-eye images?
> - Are there digital cameras (P&S or DSLR) which have two or more modes
> of flash strength in their built in flash?
> Thanks for the info and discussion.
Why not put a big flash built into a camera? Think of it this way:
look at what a big flash looks like. It's a sensor down low,
batteries in the middle and a flash on top. That's pretty much it.
You never see the sensor on top and the flash on the bottom. It's
because all kinds of bad things happen when you put a big flash near
the lens. In fact for weddings and such, everyone uses an arm to get
the flash-head higher yet. That's the first reason.
The second reason is cost. Say you have a $200 p&s with a big flash
built in. But a EX580 goes for something like $500. So you now have
a $700 p&s camera, You've just prices yourself out of any sales. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:16 am
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:11:32 -0800, aniramca wrote:
> The other day, I saw the new Sony P&S camera - DSC H3. On top of the
> camera, it was indicated that it has a strong built in flash. I went
> to search about built-in flash feature in a digital camera at the
> dpreview website and found the following:
> For P&S digital cameras: Canon G7 has a weak flash, Flash guide of 4m.
> Canon S51S is stronger. Sony H3 has a Flash guide no. of 7m, while as
> Sony DSC H7 or H9 is the strongest I found for P&S camera - Flash
> Guide of 9.8m. Canon SX100 is even worse than the G7/G9 - at only 3m.
> Lumix Fz18/FZ8 has a flash guide of 6m, and FZ50 has 7m. Nikon 5100 is
> much better than G7/G9 at 8m.
> For DSLR: Most cameras with built-in flash has Flash Guide around
> 11-13m. Canon 5D does not even have a built-in flash. Surprisingly,
> Nikon D40 and D40x has flash guide no. of 17m. As comparison, Canon
> 40D/30D/Xti all have only a flash guide of 12m.
> - Why P&S cameras have relatively weaker built-in flash than the DSLR?
> Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger built-in flash like a
> DSLR?
> - I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take picture in
> large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc). Could this be improved
> by stronger flash? I have always complained in the past that most P&S
> cameras have tiny built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot
> improve your lighting in indoor shots.
hotshoe slave
> - Anyone tried the built-in flash in Sony H3 or Sony H7 and H9?. Are
> they much better than flash in other cameras, particularly the low
> ones like Canon G7/SX100? Does this mean that Sony H3/H7/H9 is
> superior for taking photo indoors for people in a group than, say
> Canon G7/G9? I found that Sony H3 is a good competitor against Canon
> G7/G9 or Nikon P5100. It may have less features than G7/G9, but it
> makes good quality images and it is cheaper than a G7/G9. It is also
> as compact as a G7/G9 or Nikon P5100.
> - Is built in flash in Nikon D40x really stronger than flash in a
> Canon Xti?
> - How much difference are relatively between a Flash Guide of 3m, 7m,
> 12m and 17m ? I assume that this is all based on ASA100? Does a flash
> guide 17m mean that you can get a good coverage of flash to 17m
> distance?
> - Panasonic Lumix L1 is about the only DSLR camera that has extended
> pop-up flash feature (ie. 2 level heights). What is the advantage of
> this? Less red-eye images?
> - Are there digital cameras (P&S or DSLR) which have two or more modes
> of flash strength in their built in flash?
> Thanks for the info and discussion. >> Stay informed about: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:44 am
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On Nov 12, 1:22 pm, Arvin Tate <z....RemoveThis@nada.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:53:59 +0100, "Bill Again" <s....RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote:
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> >Correct. Plus you have split the marketing target right down the middle. The
> >guy who wants a P&S doesn't want a decent flash. The guy who wants a decent
> >flash doesn't want a P&S.
>
> >Bill
>
> Well, that's just ignorant and stupid, isn't it.
>
> When I do have need for a flash then I use one of my many top-end flash units
> with my high-quality P&S cameras. I will often use high-powered flash units to
> photograph wildlife in complete darkness from over 150 feet away used in
> conjunction with the large aperture and long zoom reach its most excellent lens.
>
> Get with the program dude, instead of just spewing the usual armchair
> photographer net-nonsense. Hint: knowing this stuff comes from learning to
> actually use photography equipment to its greatest advantages. Try it sometime,
> instead of only reading about it and then regurgitating the usual stupidity,
> just like the rest of them.
You make Bill's point quite well. When you need a lot of light, you
reach for a high-end flash -- not the built in flash. If they built
such a flash into the camera, you'd never buy it because you could
save $500 and use your current flash. There would be some (but
little) call for a P&S with a huge flash. >> Stay informed about: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:03 pm
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A resident cowardly anonymous sockpuppet, now as:
"Arvin Tate" <z... DeleteThis @nada.com> wrote:
> Pat <gro... DeleteThis @artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> > [sockpuppet] Arvin Tate <z... DeleteThis @nada.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Get with the program dude, instead of just spewing the usual armchair
> >> photographer net-nonsense. Hint: knowing this stuff comes from learning to
> >> actually use photography equipment to its greatest advantages. Try it sometime,
> >> instead of only reading about it and then regurgitating the usual stupidity,
> >> just like the rest of them.
You mean like this?
Using one camera's small built-in strobe:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2uz24y
Using another with a hot shoe, external strobe and beamer:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2revye
> >You make Bill's point quite well. When you need a lot of light, you
> >reach for a high-end flash -- not the built in flash. If they built
> >such a flash into the camera, you'd never buy it because you could
> >save $500 and use your current flash. There would be some (but
> >little) call for a P&S with a huge flash.
>
> No, the point he was making is that people who want a high powered flash
> don't want a P&S camera, and vice versa.
That's the same point, simply read right-to-left. Adding a huge
strobe on a P&S defeats the purpose of a P&S being a pocket-sized
system, as well as a relatively inexpensive system.
> I now have the best of all worlds. Convenience, adaptability, power,
> and image quality. You just have to do the research to know what to buy.
Coincidentally, we never hear just what this miracle product
supposedly is.
> It will also help if you have enough photography experience to know that's
> what you'll need for all the challenging circumstances that you might ever
> run up against.
Coincidentally, we never see any of his own images to back up his
claims.
Coincidentally, this sockpuppet will nymshift momentarily (he will
feel the need to lash out at me first).
-hh
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Coincidentally,
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:57 pm
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aniramca.TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> - Why P&S cameras have relatively weaker built-in flash than the DSLR?
> Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger built-in flash like a
> DSLR?
> - I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take picture in
> large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc). Could this be improved
> by stronger flash? I have always complained in the past that most P&S
> cameras have tiny built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot
> improve your lighting in indoor shots.
Unless you have a truly powerful flash, you're doomed;
this pretty much means off camera, and BIG (read heavy).
On camera-flashes are (IMHO) a nice "get a shot"
work rounds, when the alternative is getting nothing,
but most on-camera flashes don't give you good shots:
just snaps.
I don't think ANY on camera flash would have improved
this:
http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/bar/?action=view&curr...=bar1.j
(check the EXIF)
BugBear (big fan of high ISO, and available light) >> Stay informed about: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:57 pm
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:11:32 -0800, aniramca DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
>- Are there digital cameras (P&S or DSLR) which have two or more modes
>of flash strength in their built in flash?
I know that the Canon S-series Powershots (P&S) have 3 output levels for the
manual flash setting and -2 to +2 stops in 1/3-stop steps for auto-flash output
levels in all camera's manual or auto exposure modes. Along with those
flash-output options there's so many others in these cameras that it can get a
little confusing at times. 1st curtain, 2nd curtain, slow-sync, auto, manual,
each having their particular settings in each of the various camera modes, Auto
P, Av, Tv, M, Scene modes, etc.
If instead you use the CHDK firmware add-on with them then you have all the
above plus 96 steps per stop of flash-output levels via automated script access.
32 steps per 1/3-stop. Its limits (-/+ number of full stops) has not yet been
determined nor reported. If it follows the same availability of EV choices when
using CHDK-scripts then +/- 4 stops (or more) of light output levels would be
available. (96x8) With that many levels available there comes a time where you
have to ask yourself, just how many do you want or need. For scientific research
image recording where light intensity levels might be paramount to getting the
right data then that amount of choices could be quite useful. I know of no other
cameras that can even come close to having this much adaptability and
capability, other than someone's multi-thousands $ custom optics equipment
sitting in someone's research lab. >> Stay informed about: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:57 pm
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aniramca DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> The other day, I saw the new Sony P&S camera - DSC H3. On top of the
> camera, it was indicated that it has a strong built in flash. I went
> to search about built-in flash feature in a digital camera at the
> dpreview website and found the following:
> For P&S digital cameras: Canon G7 has a weak flash, Flash guide of 4m.
> Canon S51S is stronger. Sony H3 has a Flash guide no. of 7m, while as
> Sony DSC H7 or H9 is the strongest I found for P&S camera - Flash
> Guide of 9.8m. Canon SX100 is even worse than the G7/G9 - at only 3m.
> Lumix Fz18/FZ8 has a flash guide of 6m, and FZ50 has 7m. Nikon 5100 is
> much better than G7/G9 at 8m.
> For DSLR: Most cameras with built-in flash has Flash Guide around
> 11-13m. Canon 5D does not even have a built-in flash. Surprisingly,
> Nikon D40 and D40x has flash guide no. of 17m. As comparison, Canon
> 40D/30D/Xti all have only a flash guide of 12m.
> - Why P&S cameras have relatively weaker built-in flash than the DSLR?
> Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger built-in flash like a
> DSLR?
> - I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take picture in
> large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc). Could this be improved
> by stronger flash? I have always complained in the past that most P&S
> cameras have tiny built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot
> improve your lighting in indoor shots.
> - Anyone tried the built-in flash in Sony H3 or Sony H7 and H9?. Are
> they much better than flash in other cameras, particularly the low
> ones like Canon G7/SX100? Does this mean that Sony H3/H7/H9 is
> superior for taking photo indoors for people in a group than, say
> Canon G7/G9? I found that Sony H3 is a good competitor against Canon
> G7/G9 or Nikon P5100. It may have less features than G7/G9, but it
> makes good quality images and it is cheaper than a G7/G9. It is also
> as compact as a G7/G9 or Nikon P5100.
> - Is built in flash in Nikon D40x really stronger than flash in a
> Canon Xti?
> - How much difference are relatively between a Flash Guide of 3m, 7m,
> 12m and 17m ? I assume that this is all based on ASA100? Does a flash
> guide 17m mean that you can get a good coverage of flash to 17m
> distance?
> - Panasonic Lumix L1 is about the only DSLR camera that has extended
> pop-up flash feature (ie. 2 level heights). What is the advantage of
> this? Less red-eye images?
> - Are there digital cameras (P&S or DSLR) which have two or more modes
> of flash strength in their built in flash?
> Thanks for the info and discussion.
Providing where singing from the same hymn sheet of a guide no. in meters at
100 asa It works by dividing the guide no. by the distance from the subject
in meters and gives the required aperture as in 17 m guide / 3 meters = F5.6
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:57 pm
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:29:55 +0000, bugbear <bugbear RemoveThis @trim_papermule.co.uk_trim>
wrote:
>aniramca@gmail.com wrote:
>> - Why P&S cameras have relatively weaker built-in flash than the DSLR?
>> Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger built-in flash like a
>> DSLR?
>> - I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take picture in
>> large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc). Could this be improved
>> by stronger flash? I have always complained in the past that most P&S
>> cameras have tiny built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot
>> improve your lighting in indoor shots.
>
>Unless you have a truly powerful flash, you're doomed;
>this pretty much means off camera, and BIG (read heavy).
>
>On camera-flashes are (IMHO) a nice "get a shot"
>work rounds, when the alternative is getting nothing,
>but most on-camera flashes don't give you good shots:
>just snaps.
I despise use of flash as the main source of light for any and all photography.
The on-board flash in any camera is more than enough needed for the occasional
fill-flash touch-ups that I'll allow in my photos. Meaning, they are more flash
than anyone really ever needs. IF they are a worthwhile photographer shooting
real-life scenarios and not working with staged studio shots. Then no
studio-photographer in his right mind would ever use a flash that near the
camera anyway, unless for some garish special-effect.
The only exception I'll allow myself is when trying to document a subject where
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bugbear added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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> aniramca DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
>> - Why P&S cameras have relatively weaker built-in flash than
>> the DSLR? Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger
>> built-in flash like a DSLR?
>> - I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take
>> picture in large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc).
>> Could this be improved by stronger flash? I have always
>> complained in the past that most P&S cameras have tiny
>> built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot improve
>> your lighting in indoor shots.
>
> Unless you have a truly powerful flash, you're doomed;
> this pretty much means off camera, and BIG (read heavy).
>
> On camera-flashes are (IMHO) a nice "get a shot"
> work rounds, when the alternative is getting nothing,
> but most on-camera flashes don't give you good shots:
> just snaps.
I would agree with you. By analogy, I view the built-in flash on
my Rebel XT to be about the equivalent of the old flash cubes on
Kodak Instamatic cameras, useful mainly for short-distance
snapshots. However, I do not dismiss or diminish the value of my
feeble flash. In fact, I will often sling my Rebel sans my 430EX
over my shoulder with just the little kit lens on it when I go
someplace. One never knows when a photo op might appear, but I
don't want to lug in excess of 3-4 pounds and a huge chunk of
"iron" around with me unless I KNOW that I'm going to be shooting
something specific, like a indoor car show, museum, or the like
or even an outdoor car show without flash. And, if I take my
camera to my daughter's house and grab a few candids of her
playing with her dog and cat, a minimal size and weight system
works just fine and distance never exceed 10-12 feet (but if they
do, I do an effective doubling of the GN by upping ISO from 100
to 200).
> I don't think ANY on camera flash would have improved
> this:
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> http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/bar/?action=vi
> ew¤t=bar1.jpg (check the EXIF)
>
> BugBear (big fan of high ISO, and available light)
>
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:14 pm
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aniramca.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger built-in flash like a
> DSLR?
No, it would add too much size. Instead, choose a P&S that can use
either a hot shoe flash or a wireless flash.
> - I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take picture in
> large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc). Could this be improved
> by stronger flash? I have always complained in the past that most P&S
> cameras have tiny built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot
> improve your lighting in indoor shots.
Actually you don't need a hot shoe with some P&S cameras. Look at a unit
like the Canon HF-DC1 flash and buy a camera that it works with. You can
even use multiple units.
I don't know if other manufacturers besides Canon offer similar items,
but I don't recall seeing them.
Also, the built in "convenience flash" on some D-SLRs is not very
powerful either. Better than a P&S flash to be sure, but still not
sufficient in many situations.
It looks kind of funny when you attach a large flash onto a camera like
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:21 pm
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On Nov 12, 10:11 am, anira... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> - Are there digital cameras (P&S or DSLR) which have two or more modes
> of flash strength in their built in flash?
yes, the Casio P&S's have -2 to +2.
The Kodak P850 has a powerful flash, if set to +1 it's like a real
flash.
How far/close to/from the subject do you expect to stand?
in low indoors light, the flash on a P&S does help, and you can set it
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:54 pm
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"Pat" <groups.DeleteThis@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
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> On Nov 12, 10:11 am, anira....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>> The other day, I saw the new Sony P&S camera - DSC H3. On top of the
>> camera, it was indicated that it has a strong built in flash. I went
>> to search about built-in flash feature in a digital camera at the
>> dpreview website and found the following:
>> For P&S digital cameras: Canon G7 has a weak flash, Flash guide of 4m.
>> Canon S51S is stronger. Sony H3 has a Flash guide no. of 7m, while as
>> Sony DSC H7 or H9 is the strongest I found for P&S camera - Flash
>> Guide of 9.8m. Canon SX100 is even worse than the G7/G9 - at only 3m.
>> Lumix Fz18/FZ8 has a flash guide of 6m, and FZ50 has 7m. Nikon 5100 is
>> much better than G7/G9 at 8m.
>> For DSLR: Most cameras with built-in flash has Flash Guide around
>> 11-13m. Canon 5D does not even have a built-in flash. Surprisingly,
>> Nikon D40 and D40x has flash guide no. of 17m. As comparison, Canon
>> 40D/30D/Xti all have only a flash guide of 12m.
>> - Why P&S cameras have relatively weaker built-in flash than the DSLR?
>> Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger built-in flash like a
>> DSLR?
>> - I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take picture in
>> large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc). Could this be improved
>> by stronger flash? I have always complained in the past that most P&S
>> cameras have tiny built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot
>> improve your lighting in indoor shots.
>> - Anyone tried the built-in flash in Sony H3 or Sony H7 and H9?. Are
>> they much better than flash in other cameras, particularly the low
>> ones like Canon G7/SX100? Does this mean that Sony H3/H7/H9 is
>> superior for taking photo indoors for people in a group than, say
>> Canon G7/G9? I found that Sony H3 is a good competitor against Canon
>> G7/G9 or Nikon P5100. It may have less features than G7/G9, but it
>> makes good quality images and it is cheaper than a G7/G9. It is also
>> as compact as a G7/G9 or Nikon P5100.
>> - Is built in flash in Nikon D40x really stronger than flash in a
>> Canon Xti?
>> - How much difference are relatively between a Flash Guide of 3m, 7m,
>> 12m and 17m ? I assume that this is all based on ASA100? Does a flash
>> guide 17m mean that you can get a good coverage of flash to 17m
>> distance?
>> - Panasonic Lumix L1 is about the only DSLR camera that has extended
>> pop-up flash feature (ie. 2 level heights). What is the advantage of
>> this? Less red-eye images?
>> - Are there digital cameras (P&S or DSLR) which have two or more modes
>> of flash strength in their built in flash?
>> Thanks for the info and discussion.
>
> Why not put a big flash built into a camera? Think of it this way:
> look at what a big flash looks like. It's a sensor down low,
> batteries in the middle and a flash on top. That's pretty much it.
> You never see the sensor on top and the flash on the bottom. It's
> because all kinds of bad things happen when you put a big flash near
> the lens. In fact for weddings and such, everyone uses an arm to get
> the flash-head higher yet. That's the first reason.
>
> The second reason is cost. Say you have a $200 p&s with a big flash
> built in. But a EX580 goes for something like $500. So you now have
> a $700 p&s camera, You've just prices yourself out of any sales.
>
Correct. Plus you have split the marketing target right down the middle. The
guy who wants a P&S doesn't want a decent flash. The guy who wants a decent
flash doesn't want a P&S.
Bill >> Stay informed about: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:54 pm
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:53:59 +0100, "Bill Again" <sd.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote:
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>Correct. Plus you have split the marketing target right down the middle. The
>guy who wants a P&S doesn't want a decent flash. The guy who wants a decent
>flash doesn't want a P&S.
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>Bill
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Well, that's just ignorant and stupid, isn't it.
When I do have need for a flash then I use one of my many top-end flash units
with my high-quality P&S cameras. I will often use high-powered flash units to
photograph wildlife in complete darkness from over 150 feet away used in
conjunction with the large aperture and long zoom reach its most excellent lens.
Get with the program dude, instead of just spewing the usual armchair
photographer net-nonsense. Hint: knowing this stuff comes from learning to
actually use photography equipment to its greatest advantages. Try it sometime,
instead of only reading about it and then regurgitating the usual stupidity,
just like the rest of them. >> Stay informed about: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:54 pm
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:53:59 +0100, "Bill Again" <sd RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote:
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>Correct. Plus you have split the marketing target right down the middle. The
>guy who wants a P&S doesn't want a decent flash. The guy who wants a decent
>flash doesn't want a P&S.
>
>Bill
>
Well, that's just ignorant and stupid, isn't it.
When I do have need for a flash then I use one of my many top-end flash units
with my high-quality P&S cameras. I will often use high-powered flash units to
photograph wildlife in complete darkness from over 150 feet away used in
conjunction with the large aperture and long zoom reach of its most excellent
lens.
Get with the program dude, instead of just spewing the usual armchair
photographer net-nonsense. Hint: knowing this stuff comes from learning to
actually use photography equipment to its greatest advantages. Try it sometime,
instead of only reading about it and then regurgitating the usual stupidity,
just like the rest of them. >> Stay informed about: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras |
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