Alcatraz Island with the Panasonic FZ8

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:50:30 GMT, "David J Taylor"
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>Pete D wrote:
>> "Cynicor" <j...tru.p..in RemoveThis @sp.eake.a.sy.net> wrote in message
>> news:8qOdnZ-7IszuaiHanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>> Full resolution:
>>>> <http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>>>
>>> Could you perhaps saturate the photo a bit more? It hasn't quite
>>> burned a permanent ghost into my screen yet.
>>
>> I was far more concerned with the total loss of detail in everywhere
>> but the centre of the shot, quite disappointing result really, mind
>> you the saturation is quite sad though..
>
>Lack of detail on the right-hand side - look at the lack of detail in the
>large brown tree, and how the buildings on the distant hill have been
>converted into an impressionist painting - perhaps by too much noise
>reduction.... The water looks painted on as well.
>
>Not a good advert for the camera.

Thanks for the kind words.
Not advertising.
The image prints very well at 11x14.
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John Navas wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:50:30 GMT, "David J Taylor"
[]
>> Lack of detail on the right-hand side - look at the lack of detail
>> in the large brown tree, and how the buildings on the distant hill
>> have been converted into an impressionist painting - perhaps by too
>> much noise reduction.... The water looks painted on as well.
>>
>> Not a good advert for the camera.
>
> Thanks for the kind words.
> Not advertising.
> The image prints very well at 11x14.

John, I'm not trying to be unkind, just saying how I see the image, as you
posted it for comment.

Indeed, the eye is very forgiving, and doubtless viewed at a "normal"
viewing distance a print would be acceptable.

Cheers,
David
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:25:02 GMT, "David J Taylor"
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>John Navas wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:50:30 GMT, "David J Taylor"
>[]
>>> Lack of detail on the right-hand side - look at the lack of detail
>>> in the large brown tree, and how the buildings on the distant hill
>>> have been converted into an impressionist painting - perhaps by too
>>> much noise reduction.... The water looks painted on as well.
>>>
>>> Not a good advert for the camera.
>>
>> Thanks for the kind words.
>> Not advertising.
>> The image prints very well at 11x14.

That last refers to the image I posted later -- the first image was a
workflow experiment that got uploaded by mistake.

>John, I'm not trying to be unkind, just saying how I see the image, as you
>posted it for comment.

I actually posted it just for interest (saying nothing about comments),
primarily because I thought both the lighting and cloud formation were
notable. Technical criticism was your idea. But no offense taken.
I was really just observing how all the feedback here (speaking in
general, not about you in particular) has been technical nitpicking, in
part from apparent anti-compact camera bias, in part simply way off the
mark (as in the case of the sign lettering -- when you discover a camera
and lens that can render letters clearly in a 4x2 cell let me know and
I'll snap it up:) Real photo critique (subject, composition, framing,
lighting, etc.) or assessment was nonexistent.

>Indeed, the eye is very forgiving, and doubtless viewed at a "normal"
>viewing distance a print would be acceptable.

My own eyes aren't all that forgiving, and the print is actually very
good, even at inspection distance.

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On 2/21/08 10:23 AM, in article bh8rr397is7chuc8d2mdga7beg0ps603th DeleteThis @4ax.com,
"John Navas" <spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:25:02 GMT, "David J Taylor"
> <david-taylor DeleteThis @blueyonder.neither-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk> wrote in
> <iJgvj.10971$XI.475@text.news.virginmedia.com>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:50:30 GMT, "David J Taylor"
>> []
>>>> Lack of detail on the right-hand side - look at the lack of detail
>>>> in the large brown tree, and how the buildings on the distant hill
>>>> have been converted into an impressionist painting - perhaps by too
>>>> much noise reduction.... The water looks painted on as well.
>>>>
>>>> Not a good advert for the camera.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words.
>>> Not advertising.
>>> The image prints very well at 11x14.
>
> That last refers to the image I posted later -- the first image was a
> workflow experiment that got uploaded by mistake.
>
>> John, I'm not trying to be unkind, just saying how I see the image, as you
>> posted it for comment.
>
> I actually posted it just for interest (saying nothing about comments),
> primarily because I thought both the lighting and cloud formation were
> notable. Technical criticism was your idea. But no offense taken.
> I was really just observing how all the feedback here (speaking in
> general, not about you in particular) has been technical nitpicking, in
> part from apparent anti-compact camera bias, in part simply way off the
> mark (as in the case of the sign lettering -- when you discover a camera
> and lens that can render letters clearly in a 4x2 cell let me know and
> I'll snap it up:) Real photo critique (subject, composition, framing,
> lighting, etc.) or assessment was nonexistent.
>
Are you trying to tell us that the cu of the sign is cropped from the
Disneyland-like overall capture? Come on!
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"John Navas" <spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:34:53 GMT, John Navas
> <spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote in
> <qoopr3ppai52njki76j7qa4b5n0to47h9p DeleteThis @4ax.com>:
>
>>Full resolution:
>><http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>
> Oops -- wrong image. What I had intended to post:
> <http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandse4.jpg>

That's a lot better. The first one was seriously bad at full res.

The sky color and water color aren't my cup of tea, but it is a nice shot.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
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On 2008-02-21, David J. Littleboy <davidjl DeleteThis @gol.com> wrote:
>
> "John Navas" <spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:34:53 GMT, John Navas
>> <spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote in
>> <qoopr3ppai52njki76j7qa4b5n0to47h9p DeleteThis @4ax.com>:
>>
>>>Full resolution:
>>><http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>>
>> Oops -- wrong image. What I had intended to post:
>> <http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandse4.jpg>
>
> That's a lot better. The first one was seriously bad at full res.

They look exactly identical to me.

> The sky color and water color aren't my cup of tea, but it is a nice shot.

Never mind the colour, what about complete lack of any real world
detail?

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"David J Taylor"
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> Pete D wrote:
>> "Cynicor" <j...tru.p..in RemoveThis @sp.eake.a.sy.net> wrote in message
>> news:8qOdnZ-7IszuaiHanZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>> Full resolution:
>>>> <http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>>>
>>> Could you perhaps saturate the photo a bit more? It hasn't quite
>>> burned a permanent ghost into my screen yet.
>>
>> I was far more concerned with the total loss of detail in everywhere
>> but the centre of the shot, quite disappointing result really, mind
>> you the saturation is quite sad though..
>
> Lack of detail on the right-hand side - look at the lack of detail in the
> large brown tree, and how the buildings on the distant hill have been
> converted into an impressionist painting - perhaps by too much noise
> reduction.... The water looks painted on as well.
>
> Not a good advert for the camera.
>
> David


Sadly this is a shot he is using to show off his camera and skills, quite
amazing really, simply sad.
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"Rita Berkowitz" <ritaberk2008 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> David J Taylor wrote:
>
>> Lack of detail on the right-hand side - look at the lack of detail in
>> the large brown tree, and how the buildings on the distant hill have
>> been converted into an impressionist painting - perhaps by too much
>> noise reduction.... The water looks painted on as well.
>
> Navas is an image thief! He stole one of Bret's pics. You described
> Bret's
> work to a tee.
>
>
>
> Rita
>

You waving your winky again? Wrong place mate.
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"John Navas" <spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:34:53 GMT, John Navas
> <spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote in
> <qoopr3ppai52njki76j7qa4b5n0to47h9p DeleteThis @4ax.com>:
>
> >Full resolution:
> ><http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>
> Oops -- wrong image. What I had intended to post:
> <http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandse4.jpg>

Hi, I scroll through the messages here once in a while and clicked on your
links above, but I can't get the jpg. It shows Image Shack at the top of the
page and there is a big white box which says:
img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg at the top with a
small red X in a square which usually means you can't see the picture. I
also copied and pasted your URL into my browser but same result. It makes me
wonder why I can't see the picture.

Mary
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Your not missing much.

"Mary" <non.DeleteThis@invalid.ddd> wrote in message news:fplmkm$grn$1@aioe.org...
> "John Navas" <spamfilter1.DeleteThis@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
> news:5doqr3t7k1pebnv460v3ninckghdkion6s@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:34:53 GMT, John Navas
>> <spamfilter1.DeleteThis@navasgroup.com> wrote in
>> <qoopr3ppai52njki76j7qa4b5n0to47h9p.DeleteThis@4ax.com>:
>>
>> >Full resolution:
>> ><http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>>
>> Oops -- wrong image. What I had intended to post:
>> <http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandse4.jpg>
>
> Hi, I scroll through the messages here once in a while and clicked on your
> links above, but I can't get the jpg. It shows Image Shack at the top of
> the
> page and there is a big white box which says:
> img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg at the top with a
> small red X in a square which usually means you can't see the picture. I
> also copied and pasted your URL into my browser but same result. It makes
> me
> wonder why I can't see the picture.
>
> Mary
>
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"Chris Savage" <spam.goes.here.RemoveThis@devnull.savvo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2008-02-21, David J. Littleboy <davidjl.RemoveThis@gol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Full resolution:
>>>><http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>>>
>>> Oops -- wrong image. What I had intended to post:
>>> <http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandse4.jpg>
>>
>> That's a lot better. The first one was seriously bad at full res.
>
> They look exactly identical to me.
>
>> The sky color and water color aren't my cup of tea, but it is a nice
>> shot.
>
> Never mind the color, what about complete lack of any real world
> detail?

When I checked out the second link, it had a lot more detail. Now it's
looking ugly and the first one's gone. Maybe I was halucinating.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:29:34 -0500, "Mary" <non DeleteThis @invalid.ddd> wrote in
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>"John Navas" <spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:5doqr3t7k1pebnv460v3ninckghdkion6s@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:34:53 GMT, John Navas
>> <spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote in
>> <qoopr3ppai52njki76j7qa4b5n0to47h9p DeleteThis @4ax.com>:
>>
>> >Full resolution:
>> ><http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg>
>>
>> Oops -- wrong image. What I had intended to post:
>> <http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandse4.jpg>
>
>Hi, I scroll through the messages here once in a while and clicked on your
>links above, but I can't get the jpg. It shows Image Shack at the top of the
>page and there is a big white box which says:
>img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alcatrazislandix7.jpg at the top with a
>small red X in a square which usually means you can't see the picture. I
>also copied and pasted your URL into my browser but same result. It makes me
>wonder why I can't see the picture.

I just checked, and the image came in fine.
Perhaps there was a temporary server problem.

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Best regards,
John Navas
Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
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