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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:55 pm
Post subject: Advice on Fujifilm FinePix S7000
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I'm looking for a new digital camera around the £300 mark. I want to get a
dSLR, but not for a few years yet (when I have some more cash and when the
quality is more on a par with film SLR!). So this camera should be a nice
and capable stopgap one to last me until then!
Looking around at reviews, the Fujifilm FinePix S7000 comes up quite often
as it now retails for just £307 on Amazon. Many things attract me to it -
the high resolution, the macro ability, the 30fps 640x480 video & sound.
Other things put me off - mainly the fact that RAW images apparently cannot
be directly manipulated and in "normal" resolution modes (ie. not
interpolated), it only allows you to convert to JPEG with one compression
setting that most reviewers say it too aggressive. Also that only ISO 200
and 400 can be used at full resolution, ISO 800 at 3MP only and apparently
without great quality. No firewire either.
Now bearing in mind that this camera cost almost double when it first came
out, I would like to know how it compares overall picture quality wise to
newer cameras at the same (£300) price mark now?
Any feedback would be much appreciated.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:25 pm
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al wrote:
> I'm looking for a new digital camera around the £300 mark. I want to get a
> dSLR, but not for a few years yet (when I have some more cash and when the
> quality is more on a par with film SLR!). So this camera should be a nice
> and capable stopgap one to last me until then!
>
> Looking around at reviews, the Fujifilm FinePix S7000 comes up quite often
> as it now retails for just £307 on Amazon. Many things attract me to it -
> the high resolution, the macro ability, the 30fps 640x480 video & sound.
> Other things put me off - mainly the fact that RAW images apparently cannot
> be directly manipulated and in "normal" resolution modes (ie. not
> interpolated), it only allows you to convert to JPEG with one compression
> setting that most reviewers say it too aggressive. Also that only ISO 200
> and 400 can be used at full resolution, ISO 800 at 3MP only and apparently
> without great quality. No firewire either.
>
> Now bearing in mind that this camera cost almost double when it first came
> out, I would like to know how it compares overall picture quality wise to
> newer cameras at the same (£300) price mark now?
>
>
> Any feedback would be much appreciated.
Is that the 6MP Fuji that has a 3MP sensor and they use interpolation to create
the 6MP image?
If so, reviews I read when it first came out stated that the 6MP images did not
have noticably more detail than the 3MP images.
The ISO restrictions are to be expected with a non-DSLR because the sensors are
very small and when the sensitivity is turned up to higher levels there is so
much noise that there's no point in saving the images at the full resolution.
www.dpreview.com has a very handy comparison tool that lets you search for
cameras the fit your needs.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:34 pm
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"Ben Thomas" <nosp.RemoveThis@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
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> Is that the 6MP Fuji that has a 3MP sensor and they use interpolation to
> create the 6MP image?
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> If so, reviews I read when it first came out stated that the 6MP images
> did not have noticably more detail than the 3MP images.
>
> The ISO restrictions are to be expected with a non-DSLR because the
> sensors are very small and when the sensitivity is turned up to higher
> levels there is so much noise that there's no point in saving the images
> at the full resolution.
>
Same principle, different model. It's 6MP with interpolation up to 12MP.
Images at 6 or 12 look pretty much the same. However, the only time you can
choose anything regarding the JPEG compression from RAW is when using 12MP
prints - they can then use the "fine" filter. Otherwise, one compression
only which is apparently quite aggressive.
Having said that, the sample pictures that I've seen on a few web sites
actually look pretty good.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:15 pm
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In article <xUoNe.1641$jr4.1325@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
[ask_me_first]@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> And can you see any difference between a 6MP RAW image, manipulated through
> CS's RAW filter vs. 12MP fine JPEG with the camera's own internal filtering
> done?
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I am convinced that the results are better.. There is an odd look to the
shots that are interpolated to 12mp in camera.. It only shows up if you
are a pixel peeper, but Im better satisfied with a "clean" 6mp frame
than with an interpolated 12mp frame.
I must admit I dont use the S7000 as much as I did last year, but I
still find it to be a good camera for the money.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:39 pm
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"Larry Lynch" <larrylynch3rd.TakeThisOut@comcast.dotnet> wrote in message
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> I am convinced that the results are better.. There is an odd look to the
> shots that are interpolated to 12mp in camera.. It only shows up if you
> are a pixel peeper, but Im better satisfied with a "clean" 6mp frame
> than with an interpolated 12mp frame.
>
> I must admit I dont use the S7000 as much as I did last year, but I
> still find it to be a good camera for the money.
> --
Well I think for it's original cost (high £500's) it would not stand up in
today's market. It does seem quite good value for £306 though, even against
some of the newer competition.
I'd also be very interested in seeing some low light shots without flash and
some indoor/dark shots with flash. Also some shots showing what telescopic
ability it has, as the main emphasis seems to be on macro performance (ie. I
want to know how much distance shots suffer as a result and how well it
zooms on far away objects).
I know it's asking a lot, but if you had some examples of any such images,
I'd be very grateful. Can either give email address or temporary FTP access
(former is easier!).
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:39 pm
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In article <psrNe.2059$jr4.474@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
[ask_me_first]@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> "Larry Lynch" <larrylynch3rd.RemoveThis@comcast.dotnet> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d700806f9b16690989687@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > I am convinced that the results are better.. There is an odd look to the
> > shots that are interpolated to 12mp in camera.. It only shows up if you
> > are a pixel peeper, but Im better satisfied with a "clean" 6mp frame
> > than with an interpolated 12mp frame.
> >
> > I must admit I dont use the S7000 as much as I did last year, but I
> > still find it to be a good camera for the money.
> > --
>
> Well I think for it's original cost (high £500's) it would not stand up in
> today's market. It does seem quite good value for £306 though, even against
> some of the newer competition.
>
> I'd also be very interested in seeing some low light shots without flash and
> some indoor/dark shots with flash. Also some shots showing what telescopic
> ability it has, as the main emphasis seems to be on macro performance (ie.. I
> want to know how much distance shots suffer as a result and how well it
> zooms on far away objects).
>
> I know it's asking a lot, but if you had some examples of any such images,
> I'd be very grateful. Can either give email address or temporary FTP access
> (former is easier!).
>
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> al
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I know I did some Macro work with it last spring, and some wildlife
around May or so.. I'll look in the archives on my other 'puter when I
get it up and running tommorrow (down for parts replacement).
I might even have some on this 'puter I'll go look right now.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:39 pm
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In article <psrNe.2059$jr4.474@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
[ask_me_first]@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> "Larry Lynch" <larrylynch3rd.DeleteThis@comcast.dotnet> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d700806f9b16690989687@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > I am convinced that the results are better.. There is an odd look to the
> > shots that are interpolated to 12mp in camera.. It only shows up if you
> > are a pixel peeper, but Im better satisfied with a "clean" 6mp frame
> > than with an interpolated 12mp frame.
> >
> > I must admit I dont use the S7000 as much as I did last year, but I
> > still find it to be a good camera for the money.
> > --
>
> Well I think for it's original cost (high £500's) it would not stand up in
> today's market. It does seem quite good value for £306 though, even against
> some of the newer competition.
>
> I'd also be very interested in seeing some low light shots without flash and
> some indoor/dark shots with flash. Also some shots showing what telescopic
> ability it has, as the main emphasis seems to be on macro performance (ie.. I
> want to know how much distance shots suffer as a result and how well it
> zooms on far away objects).
>
> I know it's asking a lot, but if you had some examples of any such images,
> I'd be very grateful. Can either give email address or temporary FTP access
> (former is easier!).
>
>
>
> al
>
>
>
larrylynch3rd.DeleteThis@comcast.dotnet
remove the dot.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:21 pm
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Had a look at a few of them in the shops today. A little closer to
deciding!
Sony DSC-H1
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Very small camera. Found it a bit cramped to be honest.
Fujifilm Finepix S7000
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Managed to get a proper go with this and take a few shots. I think I'm
generally leaning towards this as my favourite. Smaller than I thought it
would be, but still bigger than the tiny Sony and comfortable to use.
Weight was fine. Macro function very powerful (1cm!).
Canon PowerShot S2 IS
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Nobody had it in stock! Grrr ... it was the main other one I wanted to see!
Konica Minolta Dimage A200
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Nice looking and feeling - didn't get to try it with batteries. Hard to
judge. Don't think it had as many attractive features as the S7000.
This is taking a lot more time than I thought! Hard to pick a
clear winner. I think I'm likely to go for the S7000, but would like to see
the Cannon still. The Sony had great features, but just a bit too fiddly.
Sigh ... life's all about compromise eh!!
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:21 pm
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Had a look at a few of them in the shops today. A little closer to
deciding!
Sony DSC-H1
---------------
Very small camera. Found it a bit cramped to be honest.
Fujifilm Finepix S7000
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Managed to get a proper go with this and take a few shots. I think I'm
generally leaning towards this as my favourite. Smaller than I thought it
would be, but still bigger than the tiny Sony and comfortable to use.
Weight was fine. Macro function very powerful (1cm!).
Canon PowerShot S2 IS
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Nobody had it in stock! Grrr ... it was the main other one I wanted to see!
Konica Minolta Dimage A200
-------------------------------
Nice looking and feeling - didn't get to try it with batteries. Hard to
judge. Don't think it had as many attractive features as the S7000.
This is taking a lot more time than I thought! Hard to pick a
clear winner. I think I'm likely to go for the S7000, but would like to see
the Cannon still. The Sony had great features, but just a bit too fiddly.
Sigh ... life's all about compromise eh!!
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:21 pm
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:21:29 GMT, "al"
<[ask_me_first]@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> This is taking a lot more time than I thought! Hard to pick a
> clear winner. I think I'm likely to go for the S7000, but would like to see
> the Cannon still. The Sony had great features, but just a bit too fiddly.
> Sigh ... life's all about compromise eh!!
If you can wait a bit longer (and presumably are able to pay a
little more) you might prefer Fuji's replacement for the S7000, the
S9000. It's one of three new Fuji cameras, announced but not yet
available. Its new sensor promises to be a big advance over not
just the one in the S7000, but over sensors in almost all previous
P&S cameras. Much more sensitive (usable at higher ISOs) and 9mp.
More information is available at dpreview.com. The two other
cameras are the S5200 (upgrade of the S5100) and the E900, which
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:21 pm
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al wrote:
> "Larry Lynch" <larrylynch3rd.DeleteThis@comcast.dotnet> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d700806f9b16690989687@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> I am convinced that the results are better.. There is an odd look to
>> the shots that are interpolated to 12mp in camera.. It only shows up
>> if you are a pixel peeper, but Im better satisfied with a "clean"
>> 6mp frame than with an interpolated 12mp frame.
>>
>> I must admit I dont use the S7000 as much as I did last year, but I
>> still find it to be a good camera for the money.
>> --
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> Well I think for it's original cost (high £500's) it would not stand
> up in today's market. It does seem quite good value for £306 though,
> even against some of the newer competition.
>
> I'd also be very interested in seeing some low light shots without
> flash and some indoor/dark shots with flash. Also some shots showing
> what telescopic ability it has, as the main emphasis seems to be on
> macro performance (ie. I want to know how much distance shots suffer
> as a result and how well it zooms on far away objects).
>
> I know it's asking a lot, but if you had some examples of any such
> images, I'd be very grateful. Can either give email address or
> temporary FTP access (former is easier!).
>
I use the S7000, bought it online in Feb for £307 and find its excellent
value for money - my last fuji (MX1500) lasted 5 yrs and is still going
strong.
I've emailed you a few pics ive taken recently (and resized them downwards)
on the s7000.
regards,
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:25 pm
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al wrote:
> "Larry Lynch" <larrylynch3rd.RemoveThis@comcast.dotnet> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d700806f9b16690989687@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> I am convinced that the results are better.. There is an odd look to
>> the shots that are interpolated to 12mp in camera.. It only shows up
>> if you are a pixel peeper, but Im better satisfied with a "clean"
>> 6mp frame than with an interpolated 12mp frame.
>>
>> I must admit I dont use the S7000 as much as I did last year, but I
>> still find it to be a good camera for the money.
>> --
>
> Well I think for it's original cost (high £500's) it would not stand
> up in today's market. It does seem quite good value for £306 though,
> even against some of the newer competition.
>
> I'd also be very interested in seeing some low light shots without
> flash and some indoor/dark shots with flash. Also some shots showing
> what telescopic ability it has, as the main emphasis seems to be on
> macro performance (ie. I want to know how much distance shots suffer
> as a result and how well it zooms on far away objects).
>
> I know it's asking a lot, but if you had some examples of any such
> images, I'd be very grateful. Can either give email address or
> temporary FTP access (former is easier!).
>
>
email rejected...whats your email addy?
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:25 pm
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al wrote:
> "Larry Lynch" <larrylynch3rd.TakeThisOut@comcast.dotnet> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d700806f9b16690989687@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> I am convinced that the results are better.. There is an odd look to
>> the shots that are interpolated to 12mp in camera.. It only shows up
>> if you are a pixel peeper, but Im better satisfied with a "clean"
>> 6mp frame than with an interpolated 12mp frame.
>>
>> I must admit I dont use the S7000 as much as I did last year, but I
>> still find it to be a good camera for the money.
>> --
>
> Well I think for it's original cost (high £500's) it would not stand
> up in today's market. It does seem quite good value for £306 though,
> even against some of the newer competition.
>
> I'd also be very interested in seeing some low light shots without
> flash and some indoor/dark shots with flash. Also some shots showing
> what telescopic ability it has, as the main emphasis seems to be on
> macro performance (ie. I want to know how much distance shots suffer
> as a result and how well it zooms on far away objects).
>
> I know it's asking a lot, but if you had some examples of any such
> images, I'd be very grateful. Can either give email address or
> temporary FTP access (former is easier!).
>
>
email rejected...whats your email addy?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:03 am
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"McKev" <scotsman_uk.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> email rejected...whats your email addy?
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> McKev
alan at allthings dot co dot uk ... reply address was just nonsense, sorry
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In article <PNOdnY2zJoTxCZfeRVn-qw DeleteThis @comcast.com>, henrymot DeleteThis @coco.net
says...
> The S7000 is de facto a 3 Mpix camera, Fuji used to add up
> the both kind of pixels together to make them appear double
> in the brochure, and by doing so they run into serious
> problems with public perception.
>
> Thomas
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The S7000 is defacto a 6 megapixel camera. Through interpolation it
produces 12mp pictures
The S5000 is the one thats 3 megapixels. Interpolation save a 6mp image.
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