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jeffrey

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:06 pm
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I have a Sony A100 DSLR and its focus is terrible in less-than-ideal
conditions. In dim light (not even t-h-a-t dark), the flash flashes
several times and takes several seconds to focus before the picture is
taken.

There is an indicator that comes on when the picture is in focus.
Often times, the image appears to be in focus through the viewfinder
but the focus indicator doesn't come on. If the focus indicator does
not come on, the camera refuses to take the picture.

This problem doesn't only happen in low light. I was on a plane ride
and trying to take pictures of the ground. It was a cloudy day, but
not too bad. Often times, the camera would not be able to focus on the
ground, and refuse to take the picture.

I have a small point-and-shoot digital camera that focuses better than
this camera. Is this just a problem with my specific camera, or is the
Sony A100 just bad at focusing?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:22 am
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On 21 Dec 2006 20:06:27 -0800, jeffrey wrote:

> I have a Sony A100 DSLR and its focus is terrible in less-than-ideal
> conditions. In dim light (not even t-h-a-t dark), the flash flashes
> several times and takes several seconds to focus before the picture is
> taken.
>
> There is an indicator that comes on when the picture is in focus.
> Often times, the image appears to be in focus through the viewfinder
> but the focus indicator doesn't come on. If the focus indicator does
> not come on, the camera refuses to take the picture.
>
> This problem doesn't only happen in low light. I was on a plane ride
> and trying to take pictures of the ground. It was a cloudy day, but
> not too bad. Often times, the camera would not be able to focus on the
> ground, and refuse to take the picture.
>
> I have a small point-and-shoot digital camera that focuses better than
> this camera. Is this just a problem with my specific camera, or is the
> Sony A100 just bad at focusing?

I can only guess, and mine would be that the problem is not just
with your specific camera. The A100 is based in part on Konica /
Minolta designs, and their camera's AF performance often had
problems. The A2 and A200 frequently misfocused, but unlike your
A100, the focus indicator would come on when the camera was not
accurately focused.

Does your A100 manual describe the types of subjects help the AF
system to focus as well as those that cause focusing problems? My
manuals describe several, and subjects with well defined vertical or
horizontal lines generally work well. You should try to avoid
trying to focus on fur, smoke, very low contrast objects, etc.

The AF assist you get from the flash obviously will only work for
focusing on fairly close subjects. When trying to focus on the
ground (while riding in a plane), you'd still want to try to
prefocus on some suitable focusing subject and then after getting a
good focus indication, reposition the camera to frame your intended
subject. Vibration while flying probably makes focusing a bit more
difficult. Your manual may not provide detailed information on the
alternate photography modes, but as implemented by some
manufacturers, some, such as "landscape" mode may prefocus to near
infinity. If the A100 does this you might try using landscape mode
to take pictures on the ground while flying. Other cameras offer
Custom modes where you can preset many options including the
focusing distance, which may be easier to use than trying to
manually focus while flying. Did you try using manual focus?

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:23 am
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Adam Smith wrote:
> IBTW if you want to take a shot regardless of whether the camera thinks
> you're in focus or not
> you can do so by making a small change one of the Menus.

Where can I find that function?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:29 am
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It's hard to get sharp focus manually. I've taken shots with manual
focus; when I view them on my computer, they were not very well
focused.

How can I set the flash for AF assist, but not to actually fire during
the picture? When I open the flash, it automatically fires during the
picture.

ASAAR wrote:
> Did you try using manual focus?
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Bill Tuthill

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:57 pm
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jeffrey <johjeffrey RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> Adam Smith wrote:
>> IBTW if you want to take a shot regardless of whether the camera thinks
>> you're in focus or not
>> you can do so by making a small change one of the Menus.
>
> Where can I find that function?

I wouldn't recommend this function, which would be called "Shot Priority"
instead of "Focus Priority" in the manual.

I don't have a Sony A100 but have Minolta gear. When my SLR is using
the flash to help focus in low light, it is very indecisive. That's why
I changed a custom function to prevent use of flash-assist for focusing.
Minolta (and I should hope Sony DSLR) have excellent low-light focus,
better than Canon actually, but not with flash assist.

Look for "Disable Auto Flash Popup" (or something like that) in the manual.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:45 pm
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:45 pm
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:45:21 GMT, Adam Smith wrote:

> Never had a focusing problem but I don't use flash unless I really have to.
> The faster the lens the quicker the focus but please re - read the Manual.
> Those flashes you see are not all for focusing purposes.

If you are implying that the flash is used for other purposes such
as anti-redeye or for exposure calculation you're probably correct,
but that doesn't mean that the flash isn't also used for focusing.
Whether it actually is used for focusing probably depends on whether
there is a switch or menu setting that enables or disables AF assist
and is needed in addition to the raising of the flash requirement.

> The A100 has a pop-up flash on the top of the viewfinder prism, it is opened
> manually by flicking it up. When raised the flash is approximately 90 mm
> above the center of the lens, which is about 20 mm less than the Konica
> Minolta 7D. The built-in flash unit has a guide number of 12 and a maximum
> sync speed of 1/160 sec (1/125 sec with AS on). In a low light situation with
> the flash raised the camera will strobe the flash to act as an assist lamp for the
> AF system (it must be raised manually to perform this function).

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra100/page5.asp
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:49 pm
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On 22 Dec 2006 11:29:23 -0800, jeffrey wrote:

> It's hard to get sharp focus manually. I've taken shots with manual
> focus; when I view them on my computer, they were not very well
> focused.

It's especially difficult focusing in dim light. Some people
would simply use manual focusing to create a custom setting with a
prefocused distance near infinity. Then they'd be able to use it
anytime in the future without having to duplicate the manual
focusing process. Obviously this wouldn't be very useful for closer
shots, where the shallower depth of field would be a problem.


> How can I set the flash for AF assist, but not to actually fire during
> the picture? When I open the flash, it automatically fires during the
> picture.

According to Bill T. you wouldn't want to do this because it might
lead to focusing problems. But if you really want to try, check the
different flash options. Most cameras allow you to select choices
from a menu or by pressing a button, that include Disabled,
Automatic (the camera decides whether to flash or not), Enabled (the
flash always fires) and possibly a few others. Depending on the
mode used, not all of these options would be available, but that may
help. For instance, Landscape Modes usually don't allow the flash
to be used. If you can find a useful mode that either disables the
flash or includes a Disabled flash option, then by manually popping
up the flash, it may allow for AF preflashes to be used. Some
cameras also have a global Enable/Disable option for AF preflashes.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:13 pm
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Bill Tuthill wrote:

> I wouldn't recommend this function, which would be called "Shot Priority"
> instead of "Focus Priority" in the manual.
>
> I don't have a Sony A100 but have Minolta gear. When my SLR is using
> the flash to help focus in low light, it is very indecisive. That's why
> I changed a custom function to prevent use of flash-assist for focusing.
> Minolta (and I should hope Sony DSLR) have excellent low-light focus,
> better than Canon actually, but not with flash assist.
>
> Look for "Disable Auto Flash Popup" (or something like that) in the manual.
>

My A100 focuses just fine, under all conditions. It is an amazing
camera. Once when I was in a cave in Ruby Falls, Chanttanooga Tennessee,
I took a shot of my family in the dark. The camera flash pre-flashed
once, the camera used it to focus, and then it took the shot perfectly.
I had never seen that done before.

GAry Eickmeier
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:48 am
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Bill Tuthill wrote:
> I wouldn't recommend this function, which would be called "Shot Priority"
> instead of "Focus Priority" in the manual.

Where can I find this function? I can't find it in my manual, but I'd
like to try it out.

> I don't have a Sony A100 but have Minolta gear. When my SLR is using
> the flash to help focus in low light, it is very indecisive. That's why
> I changed a custom function to prevent use of flash-assist for focusing.
> Minolta (and I should hope Sony DSLR) have excellent low-light focus,
> better than Canon actually, but not with flash assist.
>
> Look for "Disable Auto Flash Popup" (or something like that) in the manual.

The Sony A100 has a manual flash. If you open the flash, it will fire.
If you close the flash, it won't fire. It won't automatically pop up
when it is dark. In dim light, if I close the flash, the camera will
focus without flash-assist (doesn't focus very well, actually). If I
open the flash, it will focus with flash-assist and the flash will fire
during the picture.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:03 pm
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jeffrey <johjeffrey.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't recommend this function, which would be called "Shot Priority"
>> instead of "Focus Priority" in the manual.
>
> Where can I find this function? I can't find it in my manual, but I'd
> like to try it out.

The information I found says the Sony A100 does not have custom functions,
and this is something that Minolta would have controlled that way.
This is a huge disappointment for me, somebody who is a potential market
for the Sony A100, being a Minolta lens owner.

> The Sony A100 has a manual flash. If you open the flash, it will fire.
> If you close the flash, it won't fire. It won't automatically pop up
> when it is dark. In dim light, if I close the flash, the camera will
> focus without flash-assist (doesn't focus very well, actually). If I
> open the flash, it will focus with flash-assist and the flash will fire
> during the picture.

What lens do you have? Lens can have a huge impact on autofocus speed.

The Photozone.de comparison table indicates the A100 has autofocus range
of -1 to 18 EV, which is relatively good for low-light (-1) autofocusing.
I tend to think the lens is at fault.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:57 pm
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Bill Tuthill wrote:
> The information I found says the Sony A100 does not have custom functions,
> and this is something that Minolta would have controlled that way.
> This is a huge disappointment for me, somebody who is a potential market
> for the Sony A100, being a Minolta lens owner.

That really sucks.

> What lens do you have? Lens can have a huge impact on autofocus speed.

I have the Sony 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 (comes in the kit) and a Sigma
70-300mm f/4-5.6 lens. I never use my Sigma lens in low light, though.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:34 am
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jeffrey <johjeffrey.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The information I found says the Sony A100 does not have custom functions.
> That really sucks.

Yup. I would have expected the Sony A200 (or something higher end) by now,
and one would assume that a high-end DSLR would have custom functions.

>> What lens do you have? Lens can have a huge impact on autofocus speed.
> I have the Sony 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 (comes in the kit) and a Sigma
> 70-300mm f/4-5.6 lens. I never use my Sigma lens in low light, though.

That is a fairly lousy lens, but reviews of it never mention slow autofocus.
None of the reviews have complained about the A100's autofocus speed, but
it appears they always tested using better lenses than the 18-70/3.5-5.6.
Sorry to hear this.

My advice is to visit a camera store and try out the Tamron 17-50/2.8 XR
to see if it improves autofocusing speed. That is probably the best
general-purpose lens available for the A100.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:56 pm
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Bill Tuthill <ccreekin.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The information I found says the Sony A100 does not have custom functions,
> and this is something that Minolta would have controlled that way.
> This is a huge disappointment for me, somebody who is a potential market
> for the Sony A100, being a Minolta lens owner.

The Sony DSLR-A100 (alpha) Manual is at:
http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=DSLRA100

On Pages 93 to 97 Under Custom Functions which the custom menus control
include:

Focus Priority Setup
Focus/Depth of Field Hold Button
AEL Button
Shutter/Aperture Ctrl Dial Set
Ambient Light Exposure Compensation Set
AF Illuminator
Media Shutter Lock
Lens Shutter Lock
AF Area Setup Display
Automatic/Manual Monitor Display
Auto Rotate Record Display
Auto Rotate Play Display

What custom functions were you looking for?

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:08 am
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Stephen Henning <pighash.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
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> The Sony DSLR-A100 (alpha) Manual is at:
> http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=DSLRA100
> On Pages 93 to 97 Under Custom Functions
>
> Focus Priority Setup
> Focus/Depth of Field Hold Button
> AEL Button
> Shutter/Aperture Ctrl Dial Set
> Ambient Light Exposure Compensation Set
> AF Illuminator
> Media Shutter Lock
> Lens Shutter Lock
> AF Area Setup Display
> Automatic/Manual Monitor Display
> Auto Rotate Record Display
> Auto Rotate Play Display
>
> What custom functions were you looking for?

Looks like it would be the first one, Focus Priority,
switched to Shutter Priority or something like that.

If Sony uses the Minolta autofocus system, I would also
disable AF Illuminator.

Thanks for the info! Sony marketing ought to tell
dpreview.com, bphotovideo.com, photozone.de
and all the other sites that fail to mention A100 custom functions.
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