$25,000 Reward for Japanese Whalers' Coordinates

Jer <gdunn RemoveThis @airmail.ten> wrote:
>whaleaction@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is offering a reward to any
>> one person or group that can provide the coordinates of the
>> Japanese Whaling Fleet presently operating in the Ross Sea.
>>
>
>...
>
>If I had a clue, I'd rat that scum out in a heartbeat.

You realize that Watson is well known as a convicted criminal,
a liar, and has no integrity at all.

The Japanese Research Whaling fleet is operating entirely within
international law (Watson is not), and providing *precisely* the
type of information the International Whaling Commission has said
that it needs.

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whaleaction.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is offering a reward to any one
> person or group that can provide the coordinates of the Japanese
> Whaling Fleet presently operating in the Ross Sea.
>
> "This information will save us considerably in fuel costs," said
> Founder and President of Sea Shepherd Captain Paul Watson. "We know
> the Japanese whaling fleet is within 500 miles of us. We are willing
> to pay USD$25,000 for any information that successfully leads us to
> the fleet."
>
> If you know someone who works in maritime tracking, satellite imagery,
> the Japanese fishing industry, cetacean research, who's doing an ocean
> crossing in the Pacific or working in some other field that might have
> first hand knowledge of where the fleet will be, pass this message
> along.
>
> The ship we are seeking is named the Nisshin Maru, gross tonnage
> 8,030, length 130 metres, radio call sign JJCJ. She is the factory
> ship and will be accompanied by three catchers, Kyo Maru No. 1 with
> radio call sign JKNG, the Yushin Maru call sign JLZS and Yushin Maru
> No. 2, call sign JPPV.
>
>
> Information can be relayed to our head office in Friday Harbor,
> Washington, at 360-370-5650 or faxed to 360-370-5651or e-mailed to
> rewards.RemoveThis@seashepherd.org
>
> If desired, informant's identity may remain confidential.
>
> seashepherd.org/news/media_070127_1.html
>


Hey, Japan!

Dead Whales = NO SALES!


Boycott the killers until they abandon the hunt.







mike
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In article <1170128222.486121.267800.TakeThisOut@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, whaleaction.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
>Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is offering a reward to any one
>person or group that can provide the coordinates of the Japanese
>Whaling Fleet presently operating in the Ross Sea.
>
>"This information will save us considerably in fuel costs," said
>Founder and President of Sea Shepherd Captain Paul Watson. "We know
>the Japanese whaling fleet is within 500 miles of us. We are willing
>to pay USD$25,000 for any information that successfully leads us to
>the fleet."
>
>If you know someone who works in maritime tracking, satellite imagery,
>the Japanese fishing industry, cetacean research, who's doing an ocean
>crossing in the Pacific or working in some other field that might have
>first hand knowledge of where the fleet will be, pass this message
>along.
>
>The ship we are seeking is named the Nisshin Maru, gross tonnage
>8,030, length 130 metres, radio call sign JJCJ. She is the factory
>ship and will be accompanied by three catchers, Kyo Maru No. 1 with
>radio call sign JKNG, the Yushin Maru call sign JLZS and Yushin Maru
>No. 2, call sign JPPV.
>
>
>Information can be relayed to our head office in Friday Harbor,
>Washington, at 360-370-5650 or faxed to 360-370-5651or e-mailed to
>rewards@seashepherd.org
>
>If desired, informant's identity may remain confidential.
>
>seashepherd.org/news/media_070127_1.html
>

The $25,000 you offer isn't even enough to bail us out for helping you commit
a felony.
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In article <iqAvh.17372$Fd.14830@edtnps90>, m II <c DeleteThis @in.the.hat> wrote:
>whaleaction@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is offering a reward to any one
>> person or group that can provide the coordinates of the Japanese
>> Whaling Fleet presently operating in the Ross Sea.
>>
>> "This information will save us considerably in fuel costs," said
>> Founder and President of Sea Shepherd Captain Paul Watson. "We know
>> the Japanese whaling fleet is within 500 miles of us. We are willing
>> to pay USD$25,000 for any information that successfully leads us to
>> the fleet."
>>
>> If you know someone who works in maritime tracking, satellite imagery,
>> the Japanese fishing industry, cetacean research, who's doing an ocean
>> crossing in the Pacific or working in some other field that might have
>> first hand knowledge of where the fleet will be, pass this message
>> along.
>>
>> The ship we are seeking is named the Nisshin Maru, gross tonnage
>> 8,030, length 130 metres, radio call sign JJCJ. She is the factory
>> ship and will be accompanied by three catchers, Kyo Maru No. 1 with
>> radio call sign JKNG, the Yushin Maru call sign JLZS and Yushin Maru
>> No. 2, call sign JPPV.
>>
>>
>> Information can be relayed to our head office in Friday Harbor,
>> Washington, at 360-370-5650 or faxed to 360-370-5651or e-mailed to
>> rewards DeleteThis @seashepherd.org
>>
>> If desired, informant's identity may remain confidential.
>>
>> seashepherd.org/news/media_070127_1.html
>>
>
>
>Hey, Japan!
>
>Dead Whales = NO SALES!
>
>
>Boycott the killers until they abandon the hunt.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>mike
>
Whale meat tastes good with Rye bread and mayonaise!
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"Floyd L. Davidson" <floyd RemoveThis @apaflo.com> wrote in message
news:87d54xjdf5.fld@apaflo.com...
: Jer <gdunn RemoveThis @airmail.ten> wrote:
: >whaleaction@yahoo.com wrote:
: >> Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is offering a reward to any
: >> one person or group that can provide the coordinates of the
: >> Japanese Whaling Fleet presently operating in the Ross Sea.
: >>
: >
: >...
: >
: >If I had a clue, I'd rat that scum out in a heartbeat.
:
: You realize that Watson is well known as a convicted criminal,
: a liar, and has no integrity at all.
:
: The Japanese Research Whaling fleet is operating entirely within
: international law (Watson is not), and providing *precisely* the
: type of information the International Whaling Commission has said
: that it needs.
:
What's that Floyd?
The size of the wax plug in a minki whale's ear?
That really is the extent of the "scientific research" after they fire a
harpoon into them, drag the not yet dead mammal back to the mother ship
while the sharks rip the hell out of the still alive animal... before the
Japs carve 'em up and eat 'em. What's left they sell to the fish market.
Yeah... Legal indeed! Legal to a Jap, maybe. Watson is a saviour of these
creatures who puts his own life on the line to save the whales.

Of course you Eskimos have a legal right to paddle out in a canoe and shoot
one for a feed. The rest of the world doesn't need to.

Douglas
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"Doug MacDonald" <photosbydouglas-groups RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>"Floyd L. Davidson" <floyd RemoveThis @apaflo.com> wrote in message
>news:87d54xjdf5.fld@apaflo.com...
>:
>: The Japanese Research Whaling fleet is operating entirely within
>: international law (Watson is not), and providing *precisely* the
>: type of information the International Whaling Commission has said
>: that it needs.
>:
>What's that Floyd?
>The size of the wax plug in a minki whale's ear?

There has been a *massive* amount of biology done by the
Japanese Whale Reseach Project. They have produced more
research than virtually all other sources combined! The reports
are peer reviewed by the IWC Science Committee each year, and
the plan for next year's research is pre-approved. The Science
Committee has stated that the research is appropriate.

For one example, see IWC document 49/4, "Report of the
Scientific Committee, 1997" and document "Report of the Workshop
to Review the Japanese Whale Research Programme under Special
Permit for North Pacific Minke Whales (JARPN), Tokyo, 17-10
February 2000".

We can assume the Science Committee knows more about cetacean
biology and research than you do, for example.

I would note that you and I have been over this topic before. Your
lack of integrity is showing. You already *know* that what you are
stating is untrue.

>That really is the extent of the "scientific research" after they fire a

You *know* that is a lie.

Here are the papers (23 of them!) submitted in 2005, plus the ICW Science
Committee review of them.

http://www.icrwhale.org/JARPAReview2.htm

So you find *any* of them that mention was ear plugs?

>harpoon into them, drag the not yet dead mammal back to the mother ship
>while the sharks rip the hell out of the still alive animal... before the

You *know* that is a lie. Most whales are absolutely
unconscious withing seconds. There is no significant difference
between what happens to hunted whales and farmed pigs. Except
that a pig is much more intelligent than a whale. So please
puke next time you see bacon and eggs on a breakfast plate.

>Japs carve 'em up and eat 'em. What's left they sell to the fish market.
>Yeah... Legal indeed! Legal to a Jap, maybe.

They are *required*, by international law (specifically Article
8 of the International Conventiona for Regulation of Whaling),
to sell the meat.

>Watson is a saviour of these
>creatures who puts his own life on the line to save the whales.

Watson is a criminal. He is a liar. He is taking your money
and have a good time floating around the world's oceans being a
pirate. Last I knew (a couple weeks ago) Watson couldn't find
any country in the world that would register his vessel...
don't you wonder why that happens???

>Of course you Eskimos have a legal right to paddle out in a canoe and shoot
>one for a feed. The rest of the world doesn't need to.

What? The rest of the world doesn't need to eat? Interesting,
and a concept *you* should test.

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Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd RemoveThis @apaflo.com
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Jer <gdunn DeleteThis @airmail.ten> wrote:
>Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>> Jer <gdunn DeleteThis @airmail.ten> wrote:
>>> whaleaction DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is offering a reward to any
>>>> one person or group that can provide the coordinates of the
>>>> Japanese Whaling Fleet presently operating in the Ross Sea.
>>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> If I had a clue, I'd rat that scum out in a heartbeat.
>> You realize that Watson is well known as a convicted criminal,
>> a liar, and has no integrity at all.
>> The Japanese Research Whaling fleet is operating entirely
>> within
>> international law (Watson is not), and providing *precisely* the
>> type of information the International Whaling Commission has said
>> that it needs.
>>
>
>Well, the law has no integrity either, so no points there. The

The law has a great deal of integrity. You get no points when
you make it clear that you don't understand it.

Watson is a criminal. I assume he's found a country by now, but
as of a couple weeks ago no country would register his vessel.
Why do you suppose the UK rejected his application? Why do you
suppose Belize de-registered it?

>JRW fleet is a thin cover for supplying whale product to the
>Japanese.

That is simply not true. The Japanese Research Whaling Project
has produced more valid research than virtually all other
cetacean research projects combined.

We might note that there is a precident for the US distributing
propaganda claims saying the research is a disguise for
commercial whaling though! In fact the country that has done
that is the US. When hunting Sperm whales was banned, the US
set up a "research project" to provide Sperm oil to the
munitions industry. That continued until a synthetic water
replacing oil was developed a few years later.

I would point out to you that the US government ceased, in late
2004, distributing that type of propaganda about the Japanese
research. It's an interesting story, but is both long and very
off topic here. Whatever, you are out of date...

>The IWC is too focused on business to actually
>accomplish anything remotely helpful to the issue of protection.
>I figure they're sleeping together.

You don't seem to have a clue about the IWC. It is not focused
"on business", it is in total disarray and on the verge of
collapse.

The only functional part of the IWC is the Science Committee,
which has supported the Japanese research from day one.

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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd DeleteThis @apaflo.com
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Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
> Jer <gdunn.TakeThisOut@airmail.ten> wrote:
>> whaleaction.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is offering a reward to any
>>> one person or group that can provide the coordinates of the
>>> Japanese Whaling Fleet presently operating in the Ross Sea.
>>>
>> ...
>>
>> If I had a clue, I'd rat that scum out in a heartbeat.
>
> You realize that Watson is well known as a convicted criminal,
> a liar, and has no integrity at all.
>
> The Japanese Research Whaling fleet is operating entirely within
> international law (Watson is not), and providing *precisely* the
> type of information the International Whaling Commission has said
> that it needs.
>

Well, the law has no integrity either, so no points there. The JRW
fleet is a thin cover for supplying whale product to the Japanese. The
IWC is too focused on business to actually accomplish anything remotely
helpful to the issue of protection. I figure they're sleeping together.

--
jer
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Jer <gdunn.TakeThisOut@airmail.ten> wrote:
>Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>> Jer <gdunn.TakeThisOut@airmail.ten> wrote:
>>> Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>>>> Jer <gdunn.TakeThisOut@airmail.ten> wrote:
>>>>> whaleaction.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>> Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is offering a reward to any
>>>>>> one person or group that can provide the coordinates of the
>>>>>> Japanese Whaling Fleet presently operating in the Ross Sea.
>>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had a clue, I'd rat that scum out in a heartbeat.
>>>> You realize that Watson is well known as a convicted criminal,
>>>> a liar, and has no integrity at all.
>>>> The Japanese Research Whaling fleet is operating entirely
>>>> within
>>>> international law (Watson is not), and providing *precisely* the
>>>> type of information the International Whaling Commission has said
>>>> that it needs.
>>>>
>>> Well, the law has no integrity either, so no points there. The
>> The law has a great deal of integrity. You get no points when
>> you make it clear that you don't understand it.
>
>Trouble is, I do understand it, and with that understanding I
>just don't agree with it.

And that is why you make incredible statements like the above?
Not very convincing...

>> Watson is a criminal. I assume he's found a country by now,
>> but
>> as of a couple weeks ago no country would register his vessel.
>> Why do you suppose the UK rejected his application? Why do you
>> suppose Belize de-registered it?
>
>Don't know, and don't care why. If I had a country, he'd be welcome.

That's my point. You don't care to acquaint yourself with any
of the facts.

>>> JRW fleet is a thin cover for supplying whale product to the
>>> Japanese.
>> That is simply not true. The Japanese Research Whaling Project
>> has produced more valid research than virtually all other
>> cetacean research projects combined.
>
>I never said they don't learn something, it's their methods they
>use to gain that knowledge I disagree with.

You said that it is a "thin cover" instead of a real research
project. The *facts* (yeah, those annoying things that everyone
else wants to know about) don't match your fantasy.

The idea that the project is anything other than research is
ridiculous. It is funded by the Japanese government, and is not
a commercial enterprise nor does it make money.

>> We might note that there is a precident for the US distributing
>> propaganda claims saying the research is a disguise for
>> commercial whaling though! In fact the country that has done
>> that is the US. When hunting Sperm whales was banned, the US
>> set up a "research project" to provide Sperm oil to the
>> munitions industry. That continued until a synthetic water
>> replacing oil was developed a few years later.
>
>Whatever made you think I agree with the U.S. on this issue?

Oh, why, I suppose that what you said is what would cause that!

If you repeat (old) US government propaganda, what else do you
expect?

>> I would point out to you that the US government ceased, in late
>> 2004, distributing that type of propaganda about the Japanese
>> research. It's an interesting story, but is both long and very
>> off topic here. Whatever, you are out of date...
>>
>>> The IWC is too focused on business to actually
>>> accomplish anything remotely helpful to the issue of protection.
>>> I figure they're sleeping together.
>> You don't seem to have a clue about the IWC. It is not focused
>> "on business", it is in total disarray and on the verge of
>> collapse.
>
>Considering the fact that, in their lab, the rat always dies may
>offer a clue.

Lab rats, as a rule, do not die of old age. What else is new?

>And the results of that death end up on someone's
>supper plate.

Imagine that, humans eat other animals! What else is new?

>Of course, you'll know rant on about the legal
>virtues of this result, and I'll again say I don't care about
>how much the law makes sense to you, I only care about how much
>sense the law makes to me. It's only my opinion, Floyd, which
>doesn't include any concern for yours on this subject.

Your opinion doesn't seem to include any concern for
rationality, logic, or factual information.

Hmmm, does that sound like an emotion to you too?

>> The only functional part of the IWC is the Science Committee,
>> which has supported the Japanese research from day one.
>
>I don't care who supports what - I only care about what I support.

That is my point. Your ignorant and dishonest opinion isn't
worth reading about. We do have opinions from people that *are*
informed.

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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd.TakeThisOut@apaflo.com
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Jer <gdunn.DeleteThis@airmail.ten> wrote:
>Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>> And that is why you make incredible statements like the above?
>> Not very convincing...
>
>It's not my onus to convince you of anything.

But you *are* trying to use that BS to convince others...

It doesn't work well...

>>>> Watson is a criminal. I assume he's found a country by now,
>>>> but
>>>> as of a couple weeks ago no country would register his vessel.
>>>> Why do you suppose the UK rejected his application? Why do you
>>>> suppose Belize de-registered it?
>>> Don't know, and don't care why. If I had a country, he'd be welcome.
>> That's my point. You don't care to acquaint yourself with any
>> of the facts.
>
>IOW, it's your opinion that I should offer shelter only to nice
>people? Dud, you've got a lot to learn about me.

No. It is my opinion that you should not offer assistance to
criminals in the commission of crimes.

>> If you repeat (old) US government propaganda, what else do you
>> expect?
>
>Most of what I read from governments hell-bent on destroying the
>environment for commercial purposes is propaganda. I expect
>nothing less.

But you don't mind repeating it, hoping others will believe it
too.

>> Lab rats, as a rule, do not die of old age. What else is new?
>
>A harpoon = old age? Silly me.

Silly you indeed. Nobody said any such thing. Did you have a
point?

>>> And the results of that death end up on someone's
>>> supper plate.
>> Imagine that, humans eat other animals! What else is new?
>
>I have few problems with humans farming animals for food. I
>have few problems with humans hunting wild stocks for food.

Then you *should* understand what is illogical about your
statements about Japanese whale research.

>Unless that activity proves detrimental to the health of the
>global stock - than I expect the human to do without, up to and

So now you are claiming that the Japanese whale research is
somehow detrimental to the global stock????

Care to find some way to support that ridiculous claim?

The Japanese could increase their take of Minke whales, for
example, by many times and still not cause even a dent in either
the "global stock" or in the particular stocks they are hunting.

You do realize that out of the dozens of different types of
whales that have gone extinct, not one has *ever* become extinct
due to humans hunting and eating them.

You do realize that it is also quite possible that the current
status of some whales (Blue whales and Right whales for example)
might well be what it is *only* because virtually all whales are
being listed as "endangered", and the ones with higher
population numbers (Sperm, Minke, Gray) are eating up most of
the food needed by the others to recover. Oh, you don't
realize...

Your illogical efforts are counter productive.

>>> I don't care who supports what - I only care about what I support.
>> That is my point. Your ignorant and dishonest opinion isn't
>> worth reading about. We do have opinions from people that *are*
>> informed.
>
>Then go talk to them, be happy, and leave me alone.

Then don't post illogical and irrational articles. You *will*
get corrective responses.

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Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd.DeleteThis@apaflo.com
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Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
> Jer <gdunn RemoveThis @airmail.ten> wrote:
>> Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>>> Jer <gdunn RemoveThis @airmail.ten> wrote:
>>>> whaleaction RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is offering a reward to any
>>>>> one person or group that can provide the coordinates of the
>>>>> Japanese Whaling Fleet presently operating in the Ross Sea.
>>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> If I had a clue, I'd rat that scum out in a heartbeat.
>>> You realize that Watson is well known as a convicted criminal,
>>> a liar, and has no integrity at all.
>>> The Japanese Research Whaling fleet is operating entirely
>>> within
>>> international law (Watson is not), and providing *precisely* the
>>> type of information the International Whaling Commission has said
>>> that it needs.
>>>
>> Well, the law has no integrity either, so no points there. The
>
> The law has a great deal of integrity. You get no points when
> you make it clear that you don't understand it.

Trouble is, I do understand it, and with that understanding I just don't
agree with it.

>
> Watson is a criminal. I assume he's found a country by now, but
> as of a couple weeks ago no country would register his vessel.
> Why do you suppose the UK rejected his application? Why do you
> suppose Belize de-registered it?

Don't know, and don't care why. If I had a country, he'd be welcome.

>
>> JRW fleet is a thin cover for supplying whale product to the
>> Japanese.
>
> That is simply not true. The Japanese Research Whaling Project
> has produced more valid research than virtually all other
> cetacean research projects combined.

I never said they don't learn something, it's their methods they use to
gain that knowledge I disagree with.

>
> We might note that there is a precident for the US distributing
> propaganda claims saying the research is a disguise for
> commercial whaling though! In fact the country that has done
> that is the US. When hunting Sperm whales was banned, the US
> set up a "research project" to provide Sperm oil to the
> munitions industry. That continued until a synthetic water
> replacing oil was developed a few years later.

Whatever made you think I agree with the U.S. on this issue?


>
> I would point out to you that the US government ceased, in late
> 2004, distributing that type of propaganda about the Japanese
> research. It's an interesting story, but is both long and very
> off topic here. Whatever, you are out of date...
>
>> The IWC is too focused on business to actually
>> accomplish anything remotely helpful to the issue of protection.
>> I figure they're sleeping together.
>
> You don't seem to have a clue about the IWC. It is not focused
> "on business", it is in total disarray and on the verge of
> collapse.

Considering the fact that, in their lab, the rat always dies may offer a
clue. And the results of that death end up on someone's supper plate.
Of course, you'll know rant on about the legal virtues of this result,
and I'll again say I don't care about how much the law makes sense to
you, I only care about how much sense the law makes to me. It's only my
opinion, Floyd, which doesn't include any concern for yours on this subject.


>
> The only functional part of the IWC is the Science Committee,
> which has supported the Japanese research from day one.
>

I don't care who supports what - I only care about what I support.


--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'
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Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
> Jer <gdunn RemoveThis @airmail.ten> wrote:
>> Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>>> Jer <gdunn RemoveThis @airmail.ten> wrote:
>>>> Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>>>>> Jer <gdunn RemoveThis @airmail.ten> wrote:
>>>>>> whaleaction RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is offering a reward to any
>>>>>>> one person or group that can provide the coordinates of the
>>>>>>> Japanese Whaling Fleet presently operating in the Ross Sea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I had a clue, I'd rat that scum out in a heartbeat.
>>>>> You realize that Watson is well known as a convicted criminal,
>>>>> a liar, and has no integrity at all.
>>>>> The Japanese Research Whaling fleet is operating entirely
>>>>> within
>>>>> international law (Watson is not), and providing *precisely* the
>>>>> type of information the International Whaling Commission has said
>>>>> that it needs.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, the law has no integrity either, so no points there. The
>>> The law has a great deal of integrity. You get no points when
>>> you make it clear that you don't understand it.
>> Trouble is, I do understand it, and with that understanding I
>> just don't agree with it.
>
> And that is why you make incredible statements like the above?
> Not very convincing...

It's not my onus to convince you of anything.

>
>>> Watson is a criminal. I assume he's found a country by now,
>>> but
>>> as of a couple weeks ago no country would register his vessel.
>>> Why do you suppose the UK rejected his application? Why do you
>>> suppose Belize de-registered it?
>> Don't know, and don't care why. If I had a country, he'd be welcome.
>
> That's my point. You don't care to acquaint yourself with any
> of the facts.

IOW, it's your opinion that I should offer shelter only to nice people?
Dud, you've got a lot to learn about me.


>
>>>> JRW fleet is a thin cover for supplying whale product to the
>>>> Japanese.
>>> That is simply not true. The Japanese Research Whaling Project
>>> has produced more valid research than virtually all other
>>> cetacean research projects combined.
>> I never said they don't learn something, it's their methods they
>> use to gain that knowledge I disagree with.
>
> You said that it is a "thin cover" instead of a real research
> project. The *facts* (yeah, those annoying things that everyone
> else wants to know about) don't match your fantasy.
>
> The idea that the project is anything other than research is
> ridiculous. It is funded by the Japanese government, and is not
> a commercial enterprise nor does it make money.

I know the Japanese fund it, that's why their supper plates have
'research' meat on them.

>
>>> We might note that there is a precident for the US distributing
>>> propaganda claims saying the research is a disguise for
>>> commercial whaling though! In fact the country that has done
>>> that is the US. When hunting Sperm whales was banned, the US
>>> set up a "research project" to provide Sperm oil to the
>>> munitions industry. That continued until a synthetic water
>>> replacing oil was developed a few years later.
>> Whatever made you think I agree with the U.S. on this issue?
>
> Oh, why, I suppose that what you said is what would cause that!

You're reading too much between my lines.

>
> If you repeat (old) US government propaganda, what else do you
> expect?

Most of what I read from governments hell-bent on destroying the
environment for commercial purposes is propaganda. I expect nothing less.


>
>>> I would point out to you that the US government ceased, in late
>>> 2004, distributing that type of propaganda about the Japanese
>>> research. It's an interesting story, but is both long and very
>>> off topic here. Whatever, you are out of date...
>>>
>>>> The IWC is too focused on business to actually
>>>> accomplish anything remotely helpful to the issue of protection.
>>>> I figure they're sleeping together.
>>> You don't seem to have a clue about the IWC. It is not focused
>>> "on business", it is in total disarray and on the verge of
>>> collapse.
>> Considering the fact that, in their lab, the rat always dies may
>> offer a clue.
>
> Lab rats, as a rule, do not die of old age. What else is new?

A harpoon = old age? Silly me.


>
>> And the results of that death end up on someone's
>> supper plate.
>
> Imagine that, humans eat other animals! What else is new?

I have few problems with humans farming animals for food. I have few
problems with humans hunting wild stocks for food. Unless that activity
proves detrimental to the health of the global stock - than I expect the
human to do without, up to and including eating weeds or even starving.
Humans have choices, other animals do not.

>
>> Of course, you'll know rant on about the legal
>> virtues of this result, and I'll again say I don't care about
>> how much the law makes sense to you, I only care about how much
>> sense the law makes to me. It's only my opinion, Floyd, which
>> doesn't include any concern for yours on this subject.
>
> Your opinion doesn't seem to include any concern for
> rationality, logic, or factual information.

No, it doesn't. My sole concern is for the misuse of animals.
Personally, humans are welcome to off themselves anytime they can.

>
> Hmmm, does that sound like an emotion to you too?

No, not really, sounds like an opinion.

>
>>> The only functional part of the IWC is the Science Committee,
>>> which has supported the Japanese research from day one.
>> I don't care who supports what - I only care about what I support.
>
> That is my point. Your ignorant and dishonest opinion isn't
> worth reading about. We do have opinions from people that *are*
> informed.

Then go talk to them, be happy, and leave me alone.


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jer
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 >> Stay informed about: $25,000 Reward for Japanese Whalers' Coordinates 

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:15:42 -0600, Jer <gdunn RemoveThis @airmail.ten> wrote:

>Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>> Jer <gdunn RemoveThis @airmail.ten> wrote:
>>> Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>>>> Jer <gdunn RemoveThis @airmail.ten> wrote:
>>>>> whaleaction RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>> Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is offering a reward to any
>>>>>> one person or group that can provide the coordinates of the
>>>>>> Japanese Whaling Fleet presently operating in the Ross Sea.
>>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had a clue, I'd rat that scum out in a heartbeat.
>>>> You realize that Watson is well known as a convicted criminal,
>>>> a liar, and has no integrity at all.
>>>> The Japanese Research Whaling fleet is operating entirely
>>>> within
>>>> international law (Watson is not), and providing *precisely* the
>>>> type of information the International Whaling Commission has said
>>>> that it needs.
>>>>
>>> Well, the law has no integrity either, so no points there. The
>>
>> The law has a great deal of integrity. You get no points when
>> you make it clear that you don't understand it.
>
>Trouble is, I do understand it, and with that understanding I just don't
>agree with it.
>
>>
>> Watson is a criminal. I assume he's found a country by now, but
>> as of a couple weeks ago no country would register his vessel.
>> Why do you suppose the UK rejected his application? Why do you
>> suppose Belize de-registered it?
>
>Don't know, and don't care why. If I had a country, he'd be welcome.
>
>>
>>> JRW fleet is a thin cover for supplying whale product to the
>>> Japanese.
>>
>> That is simply not true. The Japanese Research Whaling Project
>> has produced more valid research than virtually all other
>> cetacean research projects combined.
>
>I never said they don't learn something, it's their methods they use to
>gain that knowledge I disagree with.
>
>>
>> We might note that there is a precident for the US distributing
>> propaganda claims saying the research is a disguise for
>> commercial whaling though! In fact the country that has done
>> that is the US. When hunting Sperm whales was banned, the US
>> set up a "research project" to provide Sperm oil to the
>> munitions industry. That continued until a synthetic water
>> replacing oil was developed a few years later.
>
>Whatever made you think I agree with the U.S. on this issue?
>
>
>>
>> I would point out to you that the US government ceased, in late
>> 2004, distributing that type of propaganda about the Japanese
>> research. It's an interesting story, but is both long and very
>> off topic here. Whatever, you are out of date...
>>
>>> The IWC is too focused on business to actually
>>> accomplish anything remotely helpful to the issue of protection.
>>> I figure they're sleeping together.
>>
>> You don't seem to have a clue about the IWC. It is not focused
>> "on business", it is in total disarray and on the verge of
>> collapse.
>
>Considering the fact that, in their lab, the rat always dies may offer a
>clue. And the results of that death end up on someone's supper plate.
>Of course, you'll know rant on about the legal virtues of this result,
>and I'll again say I don't care about how much the law makes sense to
>you, I only care about how much sense the law makes to me. It's only my
>opinion, Floyd, which doesn't include any concern for yours on this subject.
>
>
>>
>> The only functional part of the IWC is the Science Committee,
>> which has supported the Japanese research from day one.
>>
>
>I don't care who supports what - I only care about what I support.

If you don't like the law then get the law changed. If you can't get
the law changed then maybe you should consider why that is.

And don't say "big business" or "big money" unless you are prepared to
explain the myriad laws passed in the last 40 years or so that are
deleterious to the interests of "big business" and "big money".
 >> Stay informed about: $25,000 Reward for Japanese Whalers' Coordinates