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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:07 am
Post subject: Can Olympus E-10 firmware still be upgraded?
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| Olympus no longer supports the E-10, so is there any way to get the
firmware upgraded? It's not user-upgradable with Olympus Master like
later cameras, and I have yet to find a repair shop that will do it.
I have firmware 120 but I want a later version with pixel mapping and
support for higher capacity CF cards. Anyone?? --ian
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:56 pm
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:07:36 -0700, ian.TakeThisOut@macky.net wrote:
>Olympus no longer supports the E-10, so is there any way to get the
>firmware upgraded? It's not user-upgradable with Olympus Master like
>later cameras, and I have yet to find a repair shop that will do it.
>I have firmware 120 but I want a later version with pixel mapping and
>support for higher capacity CF cards. Anyone?? --ian
What you are proposing is the death to all DSLRs and camera-shops in existence.
Think about it, if you were able to easily add features to your older camera
just by changing a byte or two in the programming what would compel you to buy a
new one? This would undermine the very core to all DSLR production and sales.
Without having a way to con, I mean, *encourage* people into buying the next new
one with a few minor features added there goes the whole industry.
Shame on you for even suggesting such a thing. Those CEOs have new yachts and
mansions that they need. You are intentionally plotting of a way to deprive them
of the life to which they've become accustomed, compliments of all DSLR
purchasers. Even suggesting such a thing is tantamount to heresy and impending
litigation for yourself. A premeditative destruction and death to their very way
of life. Nothing less than that.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not wanting to play the game that all DSLR
buyers do. Just watch how much they encourage others to join them in their
"intelligent" choices. They know better than you. You should behave as they do
and obey them on what new cameras you should buy. If you don't buy their latest
favorite camera that makes their favorite CEOs even more wealthy, then you are
nothing but filth and scum in their eyes. And rightly so.
Don't you get it yet? How many more years will it take of seeing this process
unfold daily before your eyes before you figure it out? Get with their program
or don't bother using a camera at all.
You are absolutely **NOTHING** unless you agree to become one of them and abide
by their rules and choices in life.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Can Olympus E-10 firmware still be upgraded? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> Think about it, if you were able to easily add features to your older camera
> just by changing a byte or two in the programming what would compel you to buy a
> new one? ...snip...
Olympus cameras after the E-10 have user-upgradable firmware. You run
the Olympus Master 2 program (on your Windows or Apple PC) and it
downloads new firmware over the Intertubes then updates the camera via
USB.
But the E-10 doesn't have that. To upgrade the E-10 you had to send
it back to the factory. Presumably there is a PROM (srrface mount?
socketed?) that must be replaced. Who can do this now? >> Stay informed about: Can Olympus E-10 firmware still be upgraded? |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:55 am
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<ian.TakeThisOut@macky.net> wrote in message
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>> Think about it, if you were able to easily add features to your older
>> camera
>> just by changing a byte or two in the programming what would compel you
>> to buy a
>> new one? ...snip...
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> Olympus cameras after the E-10 have user-upgradable firmware. You run
> the Olympus Master 2 program (on your Windows or Apple PC) and it
> downloads new firmware over the Intertubes then updates the camera via
> USB.
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> But the E-10 doesn't have that. To upgrade the E-10 you had to send
> it back to the factory. Presumably there is a PROM (srrface mount?
> socketed?) that must be replaced. Who can do this now?
>
What feature do you actually think can be added or upgraded by firmware? >> Stay informed about: Can Olympus E-10 firmware still be upgraded? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:55 am
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On Sep 1, 1:14 am, "Pete D" <n....TakeThisOut@email.com> wrote:
> <i....TakeThisOut@macky.net> wrote in message
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> news:1188604489.714239.229500@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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> >> Think about it, if you were able to easily add features to your older
> >> camera
> >> just by changing a byte or two in the programming what would compel you
> >> to buy a
> >> new one? ...snip...
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> > Olympus cameras after the E-10 have user-upgradable firmware. You run
> > the Olympus Master 2 program (on your Windows or Apple PC) and it
> > downloads new firmware over the Intertubes then updates the camera via
> > USB.
>
> > But the E-10 doesn't have that. To upgrade the E-10 you had to send
> > it back to the factory. Presumably there is a PROM (srrface mount?
> > socketed?) that must be replaced. Who can do this now?
>
> What feature do you actually think can be added or upgraded by firmware?
It seems as if the OP wanted to use higher capacity CF cards and pixel
mapping. Firmware? >> Stay informed about: Can Olympus E-10 firmware still be upgraded? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:06 pm
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On Sep 1, 10:58 pm, EO <emo... DeleteThis @fidmail.com> wrote:
> Have you actuall queried Olympus on this? I would think that if you
> sent it in and were willing to pay the price they would up grade the
> firmware for a fee. It is just electronic and does not require any
> mechanical work. I thought version 120 was pixel mapping?
Yes, I have talked to two different Olympus support people. They both
(finally) said the E-10 is no longer supported. I will likely try
again since neither person was very informed (they had to go ask to
other people)-- so someone else might give another story. One of them
found an item in their price guide for E-10 Pixel Mapping, but there
was no price associated since it was no longer offered.
They did give me the names/#s of some camera repair places that
service Olympus. I called them all, and about half said they would do
it for ~$25, but actually were confused-- when pressed further, it
turns out they thought they could just run Olympus Master 2. One
place, Camera Repair Japan, said they would do it for $80 but the
person I spoke to had poor English and it wasn't clear if they too
were confused. I will probably try them again and see if I can get
someone more understandable. $80 would be a rip-off to change out a
PROM, anyway.
I have v120 and no pixel mapping-- I think 130 adds that. Noone at
Olympus could tell me what features became available in which firmware
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:58 pm
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Have you actuall queried Olympus on this? I would think that if you
sent it in and were willing to pay the price they would up grade the
firmware for a fee. It is just electronic and does not require any
mechanical work. I thought version 120 was pixel mapping?
Ed
ian RemoveThis @macky.net wrote:
> Olympus no longer supports the E-10, so is there any way to get the
> firmware upgraded? It's not user-upgradable with Olympus Master like
> later cameras, and I have yet to find a repair shop that will do it.
> I have firmware 120 but I want a later version with pixel mapping and
> support for higher capacity CF cards. Anyone?? --ian
> >> Stay informed about: Can Olympus E-10 firmware still be upgraded? |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:43 am
Post subject: Re: Can Olympus E-10 firmware still be upgraded? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I had an E-10 that I sent in to get the firmware upgrade when Olympus was
still officially supporting them. The pixel mapping was a welcome feature as
mine was developing a few bad pixels. What was ironic, was that the
technician noticed that and replaced the CCD sensor out of warranty for no
charge, as well as upgrading the firmware and sending me an extra lens cap.
You need to be more persistent. The firmware upgrade was not a PROM
swap-out. It was a tricky process with a specially prepared CF card that
took the technician less than 20 minutes - no disassembly required.
Something most users would not be able to accomplish. I suggest inquiries in
Olympus discussion groups, such as
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1022 and not just this
general digital camera group. It took me almost five years to find a camera
I thought was truly worthy as a replacement for my trusty E-10. The E-10 has
great glass, however, it is slow by modern standards.
Bye.
<ian DeleteThis @macky.net> wrote in message
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> On Sep 1, 10:58 pm, EO <emo... DeleteThis @fidmail.com> wrote:
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> Yes, I have talked to two different Olympus support people. They both
> (finally) said the E-10 is no longer supported. I will likely try
> again since neither person was very informed (they had to go ask to
> other people)-- so someone else might give another story. One of them
> found an item in their price guide for E-10 Pixel Mapping, but there
> was no price associated since it was no longer offered.
[.....]
> I have v120 and no pixel mapping-- I think 130 adds that. Noone at
> Olympus could tell me what features became available in which firmware
> versions.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:23 pm
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At the time this "update" was introduced I seem to remember that some
where in Canada some dealer was doing this local. I checked back on my
threads at dpreview and found that
http://www.nortownphoto.com/contactus.htm
in Canada was doing this upgrade. Might want to give them a call.
V1.30 seems to be the latests upgrade althought there was a V1.33 no one
seemed to be able to tell what if anything it did.
You should have no problem with CF card to 512mb without any upgrade.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:17 pm
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In article <46dacc3a$0$18810$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, David Sommers
says...
> You need to be more persistent. The firmware upgrade was not a PROM
> swap-out. It was a tricky process with a specially prepared CF card that
> took the technician less than 20 minutes - no disassembly required.
> Something most users would not be able to accomplish.
The firmware upgrade is a very simple procedure, if you know how to do
it. The "specially prepared" CF or Smartmedia card is simply a memory
card which has been formatted in the camera and to which a firmware.bin
file has been copied to a /firmware directory. See here for more
details:
http://myolympus.org/5050/#Firmware
The tricky part is getting the firmware.bin file, because Olympus does
not offer these for download.
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Alfred Molon
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Olympus 50X0, 7070, 8080, E3X0, E4X0 and E5X0 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:29 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:57 am
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On Sep 2, 11:17 am, Alfred Molon <a....RemoveThis@b.c> wrote:
> In article <46dacc3a$0$18810$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, David Sommers
> says...
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> > You need to be more persistent. The firmware upgrade was not a PROM
> > swap-out. It was a tricky process with a specially prepared CF card that
> > took the technician less than 20 minutes - no disassembly required.
> > Something most users would not be able to accomplish.
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> The firmware upgrade is a very simple procedure, if you know how to do
> it. The "specially prepared" CF or Smartmedia card is simply a memory
> card which has been formatted in the camera and to which a firmware.bin
> file has been copied to a /firmware directory. See here for more
> details:http://myolympus.org/5050/#Firmware
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> The tricky part is getting the firmware.bin file, because Olympus does
> not offer these for download.
> --
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> Alfred Molon
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> Olympus 50X0, 7070, 8080, E3X0, E4X0 and E5X0 forum athttp://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/http://myolympus.org/photo sharing site
Thanks for the Info, Alfred. I called Olympus again and they said
once a camera is no longer supported they remove all parts inventory
and delete everything, and firmware is not available. I asked if
firmware could be read back *off* a camera, and they said if this were
in fact possible, it would be priestly information and they're not
telling. They had no suggestions at all. No Longer Supported = Not
Helpful. I will have to find a copy of that firmware!
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:59 am
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On Sep 2, 1:29 pm, Gisle Hannemyr <gisle+n...@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
> You can do this in post-processing with third party tools such
> as iMagine:http://www.yvs.eu.com/documentation/pixelmapping.html
Thanks. That pixel mapping example is an AppleScript solution which
does me no good. I'm still hoping for newer firmware, but if all else
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:16 pm
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:30 pm
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On Sep 4, 10:16 am, Alfred Molon <a... DeleteThis @b.c> wrote:
> I don't believe that, because it would be idiotic to do so. Probably
> they don't want to give you the firmware file.
Oh I don't believe it either. Why permanently delete/expunge
firmware? To save disk space? Doesn't make sense to throw that away,
let alone trash any remaining CCDs and other parts (sell the old parts
stock to repair shops).
The front-line support people I've been talking to always, when
pressed, go talk to the real tech support people; they're just
intermediaries. The real tech support people cannot be contacted
directly, they say: they have no phone, no email, you must go through
me. And I'm not helpful.
I don't understand why Olympus would refuse to give out the last,
latest firmware. Why not, what's the harm?
I'll probably keep ringing this bell-- I've tried three support people
so far, and none of them knew anything. Maybe I'll get lucky and find
someone who's been there longer, back when E-10 actually *was*
supported, and can help with a firmware.bin.
It occurs to me: what if the new firmware image is corrupted? I
wonder how much checking the camera does before attempting to install
the new image. If it *is* bogus, what happens? With bad firmware,
the camera presumably dies. And without firmware, is there any way to
get it back? Seems like there's a chance of completely hosing your
camera.
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